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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:59:19 -0500
From: KVI <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: Frans Vandermolen <Vandermolen@co*.co*>
CC: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, cavers@ca*.co*,
     Tom Mount ,
     Frans Vandermolen <75204.1243@co*.co*>,
     Billy Deans , Bill Mee ,
     "[unknown]" , Errol Kalayci ,
     "[unknown]" ,
     "[unknown]" ,
     "[unknown]" ,
     "[unknown]" , "[unknown]" ,
     Robert Carmichael ,
     "Scarabin, Brent" ,
     "[unknown]" ,
     "[unknown]" ,
     Afonso Pinheiro Junior ,
     Barrie Heard ,
     carl douglas ,
     Dick Long ,
     Dick Rutkowski ,
     Erika Haley , Garry Howland ,
     Gil ,
     Gregg Stanton , Hal Watts ,
     Johan Candert , John Thorton ,
     Joseph Dituri ,
     Kevin Denlay ,
     Kim Cochrane ,
     Lamar Hires ,
     "Lee Somers, PhD" ,
     Mark Leonard ,
     Pamela Dilworth ,
     Paul Neilsen , Reg Boer ,
     Richard Pyle ,
     Vebjørn Karlsen ,
     Victor Williams ,
     kevin gurr <100044.3401@co*.co*>,
     Richard Nordstrom <74663.1663@co*.co*>
Subject: Re: Retraining of Mount's students was Re: gas sharing and restrictions in caves #2
The facts, Vandermolen, are that more people have been killed in IANTD
training classes this year alone than have ever been killed diving with
the WKPP in any form. Under my watch, there have been no deaths, and
that is simply because I do not tolerate the kid of crap you teach, for
example.

   The deaths in the past at WKPP were: 1) Bill McFadden - deep air - a
course that assholes like you teach - we do not allow it . 2) Parker
Turner - cave collapsed on him. Your dyslexic Mr Maloprop even mentions
this fact in the "Book of Mouth" as an example of the hazards of cave
diving, something a parasitic stroke like you knows nothing about. 2)
Sherwood Schile - personal preference gear management caused a cluster
resulting in his death. I had refused to dive with him that day due to
this - ask the Mouth, he was delivering my bottles and I recalled them
from him. He will verify this fact. I do not allow people to dive who
are not 100% and 100% on board with our rules and methods.

   On the other hand, Vandrmolen, you flaming idiot, our own Bobby
McGuirre was killed doing exactly what you strokes teach - diving
improperly marked bottles. He breathed the wrong gas, just like Jane
Orenstein did five years later. He broke our rules , and you continue to
fail to learn from the past, and will repeat it so long as your
insurance holds out. My bet is they make you do it our way or not at
all.

   I also want to mention that I really resent it when a complete idiot
like you runs his mouth on subjects about which they have no
information, no expertise, no knowledge, no experiecne, and no brain
with which to discuss them. You are the quintessential dive shop bozon,
and the worst of a really bad lot of wand-waved cave instructors who has
never done a real dive in his life, in my opinion.


Frans Vandermolen wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Why are you wasting your valuable time with people that know better, have
> been doing this stuff longer
> and are writing the book on how to do this the right way. By the time they
> have logged as many hours
> as you have, or are as old as you are today, they may say something.
> 
> I did not run the statistics, but I believe percentage-wise more WKPP
> divers have died while diving
> than "other" technical divers. I.e. what gives them the right to force
> their insights onto others?
> 
> cheers,
> frans


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