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To: techdiver@opal.com
Subject: Re: Museums accepting diver artifacts
From: rnf@sp*.tb*.co*
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:00:56 +0500
My response to Jim Adams' post:

First off I'd like to thank Jim for taking the time to US Mail me some 
information awhile back. That was very kind of him and shows how much he cares 
about his profession.

>First I will state (or confess) that I am an archaeologist,...

No confession necessary. Please understand that we are (or me anyway) angry 
at archaeologists in general. Just the ones that want to push people around.

I, and I think most divers, though not all, understand the value of preserving 
some wrecks. The archaeologists seem to get a bad opinion of divers from the 
few who destry things and the divers get a bad opinion of archaelogists from 
the few who want to push people around using their official status, and who 
want to ban wreck diving altogether.

>Study is done when there is a research question to be asked.

This is where most of the controversy starts. Sometimes laymen don't understand 
the necessity of the question. If archaeologists would communicate this better 
people would probably cooperate. If they can't explain it then maybe the 
question is not valid.

>Study is not done for the sake of study.

I think that in academic circles where the "publish or perish" and the "get 
grants to get tenure" ethos can prevail, sometimes, just sometimes study is 
done for the sake of study.

>I have been on many archaeological projects where I was either a team 
>member or director of and based on the preliminary survey, we recommended 
>that no further work (excavation) was needed or that no further 
>preservation was needed.  So to say that archaeologist will just grab at 
>straws because that is what we do is not  correct.

To say that ALL archaeologists grab at straws is incorrect, but I still 
maintain that some do.

>If Rick Fincher wants to go bury an old Chevy truck in his back yard, 
>have fun.  I hope you have plenty of fun.

No thanks, I think I'll drive it. :-) 

This was a ridiculous and extreme example to show how we sometimes see the 
efforts of archaeologists as pointless and restrictive of our freedoms.

A real case in point, NOAA's refusal to let sport divers look at the Monitor 
for 10 years. Not plunder, not touch, not damage, they fought even letting 
people look at and photograph the wreck under controlled conditions to preserve 
the site.

>It was archaeological surveys conducted in the 1980s 
>(less than 50 years after the attack) that documented that inside the 
>smoke stack it was intact, and the grill plate still existed on the 
>bottom, thus no bomb went through here, and a complete survey of the hull 
>showed that there was no evidence of a torpedo hitting anywhere.

Why does this matter? The sailors are still dead. The Navy didn't consider it 
important enough to raise the ship in 1941 to see what weakness led to its 
demise. The Arizona has enormous importance to Americans as a national 
monument, but I question its archaeological value.

I think this survey flunks the "why is it important" test. I resent my tax 
dollars being spent on something like that (if any were). Other than that, this 
survey was OK from my perspective because no ones rights were trampled on to 
conduct it.

Rick

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