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Soo Seng, If you have read my post carefully, you will see that I have done nothing but *assume* (like you have suggested). And these assumptions were based on your original information posted to the list (particularly the depth, deco and bottom gas used). Please re-read your original post again, and answer your own questions since you have just contradicted yourself. Apparently, RMC (by revoking the Halcyon dealership from you), George and others (private e-mails) came to the same assumptions and conclusions. If you would like to re-post your 'exploration dives' with new information, feel free to do so. I am not an expert and I have *never* stated at anytime that you are a stroke (or a strokemaster), you have *assumed* that. I am grateful for the offer of free instruction, and whenever there is something to be learned from you, I will come knocking at your door. I have never left IANTD nor have I joined TDI (yet), don't *assume* that. And Errol Kalayci has trained me already quite properly as JJ was very busy for my narrow window of traveling opportunities. We all know it is not which agency, but which instructor that matters, which again explained why I had to go all the way from Singapore to Florida for proper instructions. BTW, we are already quite active in promoting DIR in Singapore. If you still can't answer your own questions after re-reading your original post, you might want to ask Bill Mee as he is very nice and always has taken the time to explain everything clearly, or ask George as he could give it all to you really fast. I could tried to explain them to you, but then I would have to charge you since I did pay good money to learn from the right source :-) I don't think the DIR people would agree with your last statement, and I don't think your fellow Swedish IANTD friends would appreciate you calling them strokes either, especially after having paid 3 times the cost of diving those wrecks. BFN, Phi > ---------- > From: Khoo Soo Seng[SMTP:khooss@si*.co*.sg*] > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 3:10 PM > To: RMC; Phi Le > Cc: techdiver > Subject: Re: Famous WW II Wrecks > > Phi, > > When I teach Instructors, I impart them the wisdom of "ASSUME" ( If you > are > an Instructor and do not know the wisdom of "ASSUME" let me know, I will > teach you free of charge. > > How do you know what sort of profile that we do? > How do you come to the conclusion that we are using air and not Trimix? > How do you know that all are deco on EAN 50,60,70,80? > How about the 100 % that I mentioned? > > Please read my post again carefully, and if you are not a stroke, you will > be able > to figure out what sort of combination of bottom mix and deco gas or gases > that we applied with respect to the proper depth and time. > > We never proclaim these wrecks are "virgin". In fact, they were dived by > commercial divers, treasure seekers and some " 5 minute Bottom scratchers" > many years ago. In fact the "O16" was first dived by one of our IANTD IT > Mr. > Steve Hatchett while he was working for the World Renown Treasure Hunter > Mr. > Mike Hatcher in the early 80's. > > If you are really into promoting DIR, come back to IANTD or get JJ to > train > you properly and start a GUE Chapter. I'll be too glad to sponsor you to > AISTA. > By diving with a bunch a strokes does not make you a STROKE MASTER. > > Soo Seng > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phi Le <PLe@Se*.co*> > To: List - Technical Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Date: Sunday, 18 October, 1998 9:22 PM > Subject: RE: Famous WW II Wrecks > > > >OK, I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Let me rephrase... > > > >Some of the IANTD Instructor Trainers were wearing DUI drysuits in 30C > (88F) > >water (with or without 400 gram Thinsulate ?) while wearing double steel > 120 > >(14L) tanks, multiple steel stages and OMS double wings. The rest of the > >IANTD Instructor Trainers were wearing 3mm wetsuits while wearing double > >steel 12L (100ft^3), multiple steel stages and Dive-Rite double wings. > Some > >divers were using Apollo scooters on air at 67m while the rest swam on > >tri-mix. All were decoed on Nitrox 50, 60, 70 and 80. > > > >So where do you fit in this group ? > > > >So if you were awared that the wrecks were visited earlier by another > group, > >why then proclaimed 'virgin' dives ? > > > >Hogarthian - YES, DIR - YES, personal preference - YES, but these guys > were > >just a bunch of guys go out on a live-aboard for some fun diving, not a > >collection of IANTD finests. > > > >> ---------- > >> From: Nicholas F Cheong[SMTP:morpheus@ma*.co*.sg*] > >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 2:26 PM > >> To: Phi Le; List - Technical Diver > >> Subject: Re: Famous WW II Wrecks > >> > >> Phi Le wrote ..... > >> > >> >A bunch of IANTD Instructor Trainers are diving on air with twin steel > >> 120, > >> >multiple steel stages while wearing 3mm wetsuit and OMS wings, taking > >> Apollo > >> >scooters to 67m, deco on Nitrox 60 and 70, (may be butt-mounted) MLS > >> lights. > >> > >> > >> I have been informed that those diving the 120s were using the DUIs. > >> > >> >And by the way, those wrecks were visited by another group of 18 > divers > >> just > >> >weeks before taken the same live-aboard. The films of the subs are > with > >> the > >> >Dutch Navy. > >> > >> > >> Hm, fascinating. Which wrecks did they cover specifically? Were these > 18 > >> divers part of a TDI led expedition? > >> > >> Care to shed some light on the participants' equipment configuration? > >> Specifics, please. Hogarthian? DIR? Personal preference? > >> > >> > >> Nick, > >> Singapore > >> >> ---------- > >> >> From: Khoo Soo Seng[SMTP:khooss@si*.co*.sg*] > >> >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 1998 4:52 AM > >> >> To: techdiver > >> >> Subject: Famous WW II Wrecks > >> >> > >> >> IANTD SE ASIA has successfully conducted an Expedition to the > following > >> >> famous WW II wrecks along the Malaysian Coast. > >> >> > >> >> A total of eight IANTD trainned Technical Divers (3 from Singapore, > 2 > >> from > >> >> IANTD Sweden, & 3 from Russia) lead by Soo Seng Khoo of IANTD SE > Asia > >> >> executed about 80 dives on the following wrecks, which was not > visited > >> by > >> >> any Technical Divers before. > >> >> > >> >> 1. Battle Cruiser - HMS "Repulse" > >> >> A 242 Meter (799 ft) 32,000 Ton Battle Cruiser built in 1916 > >> >> refurbished in 1941 with modern Armaments to join the WW II in SE > Asia. > >> On > >> >> 10 December 1941, she suffered extensive torpedo hits on her Port > (10) > >> & > >> >> Starboard (4) sides and a 250 Kg Bomb on her deck from the three > groups > >> of > >> >> Japanese Torpedo-carrying Bettys. Now lies on her Port side at a > depth > >> of > >> >> 60 meters (200 ft). Many of her artillery were visible, i.e. The > 40mm > >> Pom > >> >> Pom Guns, 20mm Oerlikon Guns, & 102mm Canons. Projectiles for the > >> canons > >> >> were armed and spewed in the Shell Room. Her propellers were buried > in > >> the > >> >> sand except one is visible. No penetration dives were made. This > ship > >> lost > >> >> 513 lives. Captain Tennant survived. > >> >> > >> >> 2. Battleship - Prince of Wales > >> >> This ten month old state of the art Battleship was sent to SE Asia > >> >> to show the commitments of the British during the War. She was the > >> Command > >> >> ship of Force Z. A third of its 35,000 tons of steel consisted of > >> armour > >> >> plating (16" thick) and a complex system of bulkheads had earned her > >> the > >> >> nickname of HMS Unsinkable. She suffered extensive torpedo hits on > her > >> >> Port (2) & Starboard (5) sides and two 500 Kg Bomb on her deck. Now > >> lies > >> >> completely upside down at a depth of 67 meters (220 ft). Her hull > >> looked > >> >> like a huge reef. She lost 327 men. Among whom were the Captain John > >> Leach > >> >> and Admiral Phillips. Some of the Artillery were visible, but the > main > >> >> Guns were either buried in the sand or may have been detached from > it's > >> >> base and dropped off as she sank. No penetration dives were made. > >> >> > >> >> 3. Dutch Submarine - O16 > >> >> Launched in 1936 using the New Techniques of welding instead of > >> >> riveting. She sunk more than six Japanese troopships during the War. > On > >> >> the night of 14/15 December 1941, she struck a Japanese mine and > sunk > >> with > >> >> all hand except Quartermaster C. de Wolf. She was under the command > of > >> Lt > >> >> Cdr. A.J. Bussemaker. The wreck is still pretty intact. The > >> instructment > >> >> at the conning tower is still there except the compass, wheel & the > >> radio > >> >> direction finder. The navigation lights are still firmly attached to > >> the > >> >> sail. The periscope is down and intact. No penetration dives were > made. > >> >> > >> >> 4. Mine Sweeper "Banka" > >> >> This converted Mine Sweeper from Singapore was struck by the a > >> >> Japanese mine. The wooden superstructure is a heap of rotting wood. > The > >> >> front Gun is still visible. The engine room was penetrated during > the > >> >> dives. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Equipment Used > >> >> 1. Dive Rite Superwing & OMS Wings > >> >> 2. Nitek3 Dive Computer > >> >> 3. IANTD Hard tables > >> >> 4. Steel 10L & 12 L tanks charged to 232 Bar > >> >> 5. Steel 120 cu.ft > >> >> 6. Stages are steel 7L, & Al. 80 cu.ft > >> >> 7. Poseidon Regulators (short & long Hoses) > >> >> 8. Apollo DPV > >> >> 9. Haskel Booster pump > >> >> 10. Dive Rite Lift Bags & Reel > >> >> 11. 3mm wet suit & DUI shell suit > >> >> > >> >> Dive Profile; > >> >> Bottom Time; 20 to 30 minutes > >> >> SIT; 3 to 4 hours > >> >> Depth; between 54 to 67 meters (178 to 220 ft) > >> >> Temperature Around 30'C ( 88'F) > >> >> Condition Easy diving > >> >> Bottom Gases used; Air & Trimix > >> >> Deco Gases EAN 50, 70, 80 & 100% > >> >> Camera 4 Nikonos V with 15mm lens > >> >> Video 3 VH-1000 with Sea & Sea Housing > >> >> Lights Dive Rite MLS & AUL > >> >> Photographs will be posted at our web site when ready > >> >> > >> >> Soo Seng Khoo > >> >> IANTS SE ASIA > >> >> 196 Pandan Loop #06-17 > >> >> "PanTech" Industrial Complex > >> >> Singapore 128384 > >> >> Tel; +65-776.7227 > >> >> Fax; +65-7733.239 > >> >> http://www.iantdsea.com > >> >> email: khooss@si*.co*.sg* > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >-- > >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > >> -- > >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >> > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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