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Subject: RE: Tech meeting
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:56:18 -0000
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "Paltz, Art" <Art.Paltz@R2*.CO*>, "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Dear Art-

When the folks in this meeting came from diverse diving backgrounds. The 
different styles of marking tanks was discussed and the DIR system made 
the most sense. If other techniques had made more sense, then that is 
what we would have decided on. The whole reason of these meetings is to 
compare various systems and see which one is most logical and workable. 
The majority of these people have never heard of GMI, DIR or any of the 
stuff that go's on on these lists. But they were open minded and 
intelligent and could see a good thing when presented to them.

I am really sorry if this conclusion was made using logic and an open 
forum go's against your way of thinking or politics. I realize in your 
camp emotion and "we always did it like that" is how you select your 
gear. You can sit in your own little cloistered world and declare in your 
teeny, tiny, squeaky voice that "If it's DIR then it must be wrong!". You 
really need to take the blinders off and admit it when a better idea 
comes along.

This is why we want to take an actual pair of OMS bondage wings down to 
300' and see if they can raise 100lbs as advertised. If they can then we 
will publish that fact even if all I think OMS stuporwings are good for 
is lining pig pens. I suspect that you will have a problem with even if 
they pass the test just to be a pain-in-the-ass contrarian.

There were several people who dove the Seeker on the Doria and they all 
agreed about the boats shortcomings. Not necessarily to change the way 
the Seeker does business, but rather to warn future customers of the 
primitive conditions which exist on one of the only boats which go's to 
the Doria. If you don't like it, that's tough shit, tough guy. The Seeker 
does it's thing the way it's done because "we've always done it that 
way". I mean, what can you say to that?

 Jim

Sender: Paltz, Art  Date: 10/9/98 1:13 PM

>Sorry Jim, I have to comment here.  You're starting to sound like George
>and crew.  If all you're going to do is spout off WKPP propaganda then
>why don't you save your people some time and just get them email
>addresses so they can join in here!  Now that that's off my chest I'll
>apologize, you know I like you and we've had a few good private email
>conversations in the past.  I'm just sick and tired of the same old
>stuff on this list.  Please stick to the facts!
>
>My comment is on the Seeker statement.  When was the last time you dived
>the Seeker?  I can guarantee you I've dived on the Seeker more than you
>have.  In all that time I have NEVER seen a diver take off their gear in
>the water to get up the ladder.  Granted they run a lot of trips and I'm
>only on a small percentage.  I am on the boat every couple of weeks
>though.  Once I saw a slightly panicked, obviously stressed diver take
>off their fins to climb the ladder, still with gear on.  Now I won't
>debate the fact that the ladder could be better but still, are you that
>out of shape that you can't climb a vertical ladder with full gear (yes
>doubles)?  I'm certainly NOT in the best of shape and I regularly climb
>it with stages when I forget to drop an equipment line (that's plural, 2
>stages).  You can add an extra 5-10 pounds for the tool bag too!  They
>have a granny line starting at about 10-20 ft on the anchor (weighted).
>He'll, they'll even give you a tow to the bow if a current is ripping or
>you're just lazy.
>
>Not bashing your little tech group down there (I think it's great) but
>please get the facts straight before you post.....
>
>Art. 
>PS I'm in no way affiliated with any dive boat!


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