Jess I can do it with either hand and it is just a light touch (press) next
to my heart so only takes seconds no more time that to check your gauge. i
usually do it with my left hand (light hand)

Does not take any special coordination or effort to do it.

Respectfully yours,
Tom Mount
CEO IANTD World HQ
http://www.iantd.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
To: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>;
Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; techdiver
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>; LT Dituri
<dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; "Richard Pyle" <deepreef@bi*.bi*.or*>;
kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: WKKP: Love, Hate, CCRs and the USDCT


>Tom,
>Which hand do you do the manual add with, your scooter hand or your light
>hand?
>Jess
>
>----------
>From: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>
>To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>; Rebreather mail list
><rebreather@nw*.co*>
>Cc: cavers@ca*.co*; "Jess Armantrout" <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>;
>techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>; LT Dituri
><dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; "Richard Pyle" <deepreef@bi*.bi*.or*>;
>kirvine@sa*.ne*
>Subject: Re: WKKP: Love, Hate, CCRs and the USDCT
>Date: Wednesday, October 07, 1998 8:29 AM
>
>Hi Bill
>
>
>This is the emergency you presented: following it would be my reaction to
>this not really serious event.
>
> (per Bill)
>Let’s pose the following scenario:  You are on your CIS 4000ft back in A
>>tunnel in a section with 4ft viz.  You are following your buddy on the
>line
>>while trying to maintain control of your scooter without inhaling the line
>>or other adjacent lines. Suddenly you notice the o2 warning light start
>>flashing in the heads up display and at the same time you notice that the
>>oxygen solenoid is not longer firing.
>
>Bill,  First before I flashed my buddy, I would manually inject oxygen as
>what you described is a low oxygen situation. I would switch the unit into
>manual operation and continue the dive , in this case I would not even
>bother to do OC ,as at the time the HUD gives me  awarning it simply tells
>me I', 0.02 below my normal setpoint and in no danger of hypoxia,  If I
>checked the ROD and found I was nearing a hypoxic situation I would then go
>OC for a couple of breaths while I injected oxygen back to the normal
>setpoint ( by the way I would have adequate OC bailout if I did this dive,
>just would not have needed it in this case).
>
>You flash your buddy ahead of you but
>>he can’t see your light flash because of the bad visibility.  You pause to
>>switch over to open circuit. This is now a serious emergency and you need
>to
>>get on to the backup system asap. Now, your buddy is gone and will not
>know
>>that you are in trouble until he gets to clear water which may not be for
>>another 1000 ft.
>
>Bill, this situtation is so easy to solve that there would be no reason to
>shutdown the DPV as it is solves on the fly
>
>Your buddy is towing the backup rebreather on the backup
>>scooter and your open circuit will only last 3 – 5 minutes at best at
>280ft.
>
>Bill; Even if we were seperated I do not need the backup rebreather
>Bill when you present a scenario like this it clearly reflects that you do
>not have a working knowledge of the MK 5. It will talke much more than this
>to demand a permanent if any switch to OC. A lot of options are available
>to
>remain on CCR and then you can bailout to SCR. The OC would only need to be
>used during a transistion from one mode to the other as a precaution and to
>be sure you had the system stable.
>
>I agree with you and I think most of the participants on the W2 project do
>that adequate OC bailout should be available. But you need to understand
>there are numerous ways to survive on the MK 5 prior to OC bailout and that
>the OC bailout is easy to access and allows time for thinking. I have not
>todate encountered a situtation that required me to stay in OC bailout mode
>including total loss of sensors, because I got in a hurry and failed to
>lock
>them into the sensor housing during one of my early dives on the unit.
>
>
>
>>You think about how foolish you were to have believed in Bill Stone and
>how
>>nice your life was.  These are your last thoughts.
>>
>
>But they would not be anyones last thoughts who has been trained on the MK
>5, because it was not a serious problem
>
>Next scenario please
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Tom Mount
>CEO IANTD World HQ
>http://www.iantd.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
>To: Rebreather mail list <rebreather@nw*.co*>
>Cc: cavers@ca*.co* <cavers@ca*.co*>; "Tom Mount"
><TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>; "Jess Armantrout"
><armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; "Dan
>Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>; LT Dituri <dive4wrk@pi*.co*>; "Richard Pyle"
><deepreef@bi*.bi*.or*>; kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:03 PM
>Subject: WKKP: Love, Hate, CCRs and the USDCT
>
>
>>
>>
>>I have received private emails conveying a sense of frustration and
>futility
>>about the WKPP. Many individuals feel that they will never have an
>>opportunity to dive in such places as Wakulla Springs and other sites
>under
>>the WKPP’s aegis, because they are viewed as “bad guys” or feel they are
>>“hated” either by the director or other members.  It is this abject
>hopeless
>>frustration which has motivated many people to sign on with the USDCT or
>>forever remain as vocal detractors lurking on the periphery of our
>>organization..
>>
>>Aside from a tiny handful of people, whose attitude and retrograde mindset
>>permanently prevents them from changing their ways, no one is excluded
>from
>>participation in the activities of the WKPP.  It is well understood,
>though
>>perhaps not at first glance, that certain activities are inappropriate for
>>some members. The WKPP got it’s start and made its initial mark in the
>deep
>>exploration of Leon Sinks and there is a potent understanding of the
>extreme
>>dangers and challenges of this form of diving. There is obviously a lot to
>>be learned about mixed gas exploration diving.  Especially prior to taking
>>on major life or death challenge. The WKPP’s program of gradually exposing
>>members to all aspects of specialized diving, from surface management, gas
>>mixing and deployment, dive setup, dive support, scooter diving, gas
>diving
>>and exploration diving is a time and result proven enterprise.  We have a
>>good track record and intend to keep it that way.
>>
>>It is exceptionally common in this sport to encounter those who are
>“trying
>>to prove something” either to themselves or their peer group. The “trying
>to
>>prove something” problem is at the core of much of the human carnage in
>>technical diving, if you haven’t already noticed. Within the WKPP
>>organization there are many checks and balances and hurdles in place to
>>prevent people from hastening their demise.  Anybody who is serious about
>>pursuing mixed gas exploration cave diving should want to embrace this
>>ideology and not perceive it as a type of punishment for political
>>divergence.
>>
>>In short, anybody who really wants to dive and is committed to doing what
>it
>>takes will get a shot with the one caveat  “Eventually”.
>>
>>Jess Armantrout has articulately described the arduous path to diving in
>>extreme situations, such as Wakulla Springs.  In keeping with the core
>WKPP
>>philosophy of the “team is my life support” Jess has disclosed the most
>>basic of all requirements. That is the requisite of having two other
>members
>>who will dive with you as a team before you go anywhere, after all of the
>>other hurdles have been attained.  The USDCT should think long and hard
>>about this.
>>
>>Our problem with the USDCT is not with the rank and file of people with
>>legitimate aspirations and a desire to share in the opportunity to explore
>>spectacular natural wonders.  It is with the mistaken believe that there
>is
>>a magic shortcut to this activity. We perceive this situation not unlike
>the
>>perpetration of a fraud on the innocent and ignorant. Bill Stone, as
>project
>>leader presides over this situation and will be the one to accept
>>responsibility when someone is killed or injured.  You would think that
>the
>>experience of  carrying a dead friend out Huatla would have tempered his
>>enthusiasm for frivolous risk and made him much more careful in is
>planning
>>and preparation.
>>
>>When we listen to his ignorant and nonsensical remarks, which find their
>way
>>into the public domain (he will not debate us publicly) we are shocked at
>>the blatant stupidity of certain of these hare brained schemes. Using the
>>Cis Lunar Mk 5 without adequate open circuit bailout is a fine example of
>>this dyslexic reasoning. While we have made our opinion well known
>regarding
>>the use of electronic CCRs in an overhead environment (very risky, but
>>sometimes all 18 wheels will miss the smiling possum) we certainly would
>>give Stone and King their due with a green light. That is if they  take
>the
>>minimum precautions of a basic open circuit escape mechanism, at least for
>>the others in the project, if not themselves.
>>
>>
>>When you consider the above and you weigh the measured careful approach of
>>the WKPP I hope you can understand why we do the things we do and take the
>>inflexible attitude that we do. The issue here is not hatred of others,
>but
>>an overriding concern for the safety and well being of  other humans in
>what
>>otherwise is a very serious and dangerous enterprise.  Please view it in
>>that regard and do not take umbrage of offense.
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>
>>Bill Mee
>>
>>
>>
>
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