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From: <KybrSose@ao*.co*>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:24:23 EDT
To: zimmmt@au*.al*.co*, bdi@wh*.ne*
Cc: cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: bait (was re: slooooooooow day....)
In a message dated 9/29/98 1:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
zimmmt@au*.al*.co* writes:

> Nice attempt to push it all off on me, I give ya credit for
>  that :-)
>  
>  But I can be Florence Friggin Nightingale, and it won't
>  help the newbies one lick if you guys chop their heads off
>  before I get to 'em.
>  
>  Besides, I am not proclaiming myself to be the know-all-be-all
>  of DIR.  I am simply suggesting that those who are the
>  most knowledgeable could be MORE EFFECTIVE in their efforts
>  to save lives if they dropped the shoot first, ask questions
>  later.
>  
>  Mike

 Mike,

  A few points my friend.

  First do you have any emperical data to support your assumption that the
current style of communication actually impairs transmission of the message?
Do you know of people you have actually spoken to( verbal communication) who
have rejected the DIR message due solely to presentation, and not some other
reason, like previous investments? Numbers? 

  Second, What makes you think that what is posted only to the list(s) is a
full and fair accounting of how DIR is advocated?  I know i have received many
emails, personally, about questions I had that were rational and polite, from
what you would term the "usual suspects". The DIR video is far from rude, and
the Gavin and Jablonski chapters are well laid out and non offensive. All of
the web sites contain references to these excellent touchstones of DIR
thought.  New divers are told to do their own research and return with their
questions, most of which are answered in the documents. When you were in
school Mike, did the teacher ever answer your question nicely, when you
admitted you hadn't read the book?

  Third , since you preach pure personal responsibility for all underwater
activities, and presumably practice same, how does this square with your idea
that every diver must have a full and complete understanding of how the DIR
rig works prior to diving it?  
     
   In other words, didnt your first DIR geared type dive result in you
abdicating personal responsibility for your own gear selection? How do you
deal with this apparent conflict of ideas, being both a staunch advocate of
"personal responsibility" and a DIR diver?  Or is it that you only understand
the gear and not the philosophy?  

   Fourth, for the record, if i was in a jam i would want either Mr. Irvine,
or Mr. Stone, or any other well intentioned and reasonably capable person to
try to help me regardless of config. 

   Like Mr. Williams, I too look foward to your coming public and private
advocacy of DIR methods and techniques.  My hope is that you will reread the
last paragraph of the Gavin chapter prior to posting nonsense like this again.

regards,

Al Marvelli
  
   

  
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