From:  Terry [SMTP:terry@wo*.co*]
Sent:  Saturday, September 26, 1998 8:44 AM
To:  'pH'
Subject:  RE: WKPP Fairy Tales; was:antioxidants

First you have to understand the difference between drugs and just sound
nutritional practices. You all seem to classify these as drugs - just
because they come out of a bottle and are in the form of little capsules or
pills. They in fact are all derived from food sources - what is a drug????
You guys are rain washed in to believing there are long term health risks
from taking vitamins? Where have you been living for the past century?  The
fact remains that not all people want to take vitamins or amino acids or any
supplement at all - that's fine - but there is still the need to follow a
good nutritional program - not only for superior performance as an athlete -
but for a good long healthy life. The "drugs" that we are all refering to
are not drugs they are nutritional supplements designed for specific
enhancement or nutritional support. They are not drugs and have no dangers
associated with them. How much research would you like posted on the
benefits of nutritional supplements?  When I was competitvely training in
powerlifting and bodybuilding - I physically could not stomach eating all
the food required by my body to repair and grow muscle. I could not consume
the calories needed to keep my metabolism escalated. I would use nutritional
supplements to take the burden off having to eat so much food - I would
enhance my protein intake with protein shakes and amino acids - I would help
my muscles recover by taking bicarbonates and phosphous compounds and
L-Glutamine. I regulated my blood sugars naturally using vanadyl and
chromium. Nutritional supplements can be very useful. The only draw back in
nutritional supplements is that the industry is a whore industry and not all
products are created equal - there are false label claims and inferior
products. That is where you must do some research - know what you need -
find a product that is reputable and then use it according to your specific
needs - not necessarily what the label says. But to just randomly say that
popping pills (vitamins, aminos and minerals) is taking drugs - you are
sadly mistaken and really should do some research.
Terry

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From:  pH [SMTP:heseltine@ea*.ne*]
Sent:  Saturday, September 26, 1998 5:25 AM
To:  rebreather@nw*.co*
Cc:  Techdiver; Rebreather; Kirvine; Bill Mee; Terry Giles
Subject:  WKPP Fairy Tales; was:antioxidants

Here's one to keep:

Who cares what Dan Volker weighs? There are probably many of us who could
lose a few pounds. At least he's trying to do something about it. What
pisses me off is George and the Spam Brigade's deliberate prostitution of
the WKPP's undeniable dive record and their not-so-subtle suggestions that
you can be a "man" if you take their drugs. Possibly even become a member
of their "master-race".

The problem with taking "vitamins" as drugs, is not (as G4 privately
e-mailed to me) that they are placebos, but that they may well have
profound and serious effects on the users' long term health. Bad effects!
Confusing the genuine benefits of a strong exercise program with voodoo
pill-craft doesn't "enhance" anything except the egos and wallet sizes of
the quacks doing the pushing.

Give it up George. It isn't worthy of the ideals or sport you are trying to
advance and it'll bite you in the ass, if that's not happened already.

	Think about this: Drugs and Diving are as Stupid as Deep Air

Peter Heseltine

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