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In a message dated 9/21/98 9:13:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jamie@cw*.co*
writes:
> Al,
> Heres some info on Mukilteo State Park:
> 1) State park is open to divers of all certitification levels
> 2) The "500' slope" starts about 30 yards from shore.
So 200 feet out from shore you could have open water students floating over
150- 200 fsw, or more?
You dont see a problem with this?
> Having explained this I believe Garrett was responding to some idiots
> blanket statement about taking students to dive sites where they could
> exceed the depth limits of their gas is criminally dangerous. The words
> "tunnel
> vision" and "this guy doesn't live in the real world" come to mind when I
> read statements like that.
That was me. I stand by my statement. You would seem to be guilty of myopia,
in that you cant see the potential danger of your dive site. Why cant you
teach open water somewhere else? somewhere safer?
Furthermore did you see the conditions on both my statement and Garrett's??
> I would not define the above slope as a "hard bottom" and the last
time
> I checked my agencies training standards there was no mention of a " hard
> bottom" requirement.
The NAUI standards that I have , dated 1991, list the following:
Openwater I course standards
IV Required course minimums
G. Thirty feet nine meters is the max depth for the first open water
training dive and sixty feet 18 meters is the max depth for any open water
training dive during the course
and
VII Skill performance objectives
F.air consumption/navigation
2. using environmental navigation aids and a compass, travel underwater
to a designated location for a set period of time.
So tell me, dont you need to be within sight of a "hard bottom"< as opposed
to "bluewater"> as to satify both the above requirements??
Al Marvelli
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: KybrSose@ao*.co* <KybrSose@ao*.co*>
> To: scubait@ix*.ne*.co* <scubait@ix*.ne*.co*>
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Learning to identify and minimize risk - planet of the apes
> part two
>
>
> >In a message dated 9/20/98 2:22:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >scubait@ix*.ne*.co* writes:
> >
> >> And, if you remeber correctly, my example was a shore dive with a slope
> that
> >> oculd
> >> reach 500 feet. Should open water students be diving there? That's the
> >> question I
> >> addressed.
> >>
> >> Where do we draw the line?
> >>
> >> Garrett Weinberg
> >
> >
> > Garrett,
> >
> > How far is this slope? The continental shelf drops off some 40 miles or
> so
> >out to sea, but I think you have a more dramatic slope in mind.
> >
> > I cannot believe you would actually use the phrase "open water
students",
> in
> >conjuction with the phrase " 500 feet". This is beyond ridiculous. All
the
> >agencies limit their open water students to 60 fsw or so of depth, and all
> >require hard bottom sites for this training. Most recommend additional
> >training before diving more advanced sites. Maybe you need to spend some
> time
> >on rec.scuba to refresh yourself with whats what.
> >
> > The original example concerned diving the top of the Hydro
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