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From: <Scubagator@ao*.co*>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:52:58 EDT
To: kkepley@IP*.CO*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: "Depth Perception"
In a message dated 9/9/98 5:29:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kkepley@IP*.CO*
writes:

> It seems that there are two distinct types of posters on all of these
>  tech lists: 1) people that can think for themselves and 2) people that
>  mimic the anti-social and unprofessional gear bashing ego originally
>  displayed by George Irvine.

I guess I'd fall into both types.  I think for myself, and am intellgient
enough to figure out when someone has a better way of doing things.  Just
because you have done something wrong for years does not make it right.  I
know that my equipment is set up for any kind of exposure I may expereince...I
would rather be over safe, period.

  While many of the ideas from the WKPP group
>  are well thought out and good, they are by no means the ONLY way to dive
>  without killing yourself, and acting as if they are does nothing to
>  promote their use in a diving community that is growing tired of the
>  childish bashing that is substituted in place of informative reasoning.

I'd say we are more tired of the deaths caused by improper eqipment
configurations...lets see,  the body count locally (So Fla) this year is at
4...that is four families that are subjected to the death of a family member,
who could have done something different, safer and better.  But they choose to
do it in a way that does not have the inherent safety features of the
DIR/Hogarthian system.  Reason that to the families...especially the ones who
have not been able to find the bodies.

>  In the grand scheme of gear configuration evolution, the gear nazis seem
>  to think they made the transition from monkey to man, when all they did
>  was optimize a few things.  I think the egos have swollen far greater
>  than the cause merits.  To play follow the leader with such venom toward
>  non-conformists is behavior fit for cults, not divers.

So I guess your choice to do it wrong is you following the cult of stupidity?
When you know if a better, safer way to dive and you choose not to you are a
stroke.  I did not call you a boat loas of Assholes, or jerkoffs.  I said you
were a boat load of Strokes, you obviously know a better way to do it and
choose not to.  Steel tanks, double hoses, 80/20 it is a combination of
things, no one thing made me post what I did.  If one person changes their
equipment and dives safer then that's great.  I'd rather take fire from 100 of
the folks too stubborn or stupid to change then have a diver die.

>  How is deco on 80% a recipe for death when you plan the dive for 80% the
>  same way you would for 100%???  So you save 4 min on deco- so what?  Are
>  we in a race here?  I've seen the bakers dozen, and it might be more
>  optimal to use 100%, but it is not a death sentence if you don't! 

See above...if there is a better way, why the hell not choose it?  You'll pay
no more for a 100% O2 fill then an 80/20 fill.  You optimize your deco and
spend the depth you do the most deco at...20' on the highest PO2 available.
Why hang at 20' on 80/20 when it does not give the same benifits??

 And
>  why waste money on trimix to do a 25min dive at 180ft?? 

Well, funny thing is I saw most of the folks at the 200' level w/ me.  On air
that would be 1.48 PO2...not to mention the narcosis.  I have done deep
air...I will never go back to it.  Since I started doing Tri-Mix dives, my
dives are safer, I remember them, and know that if I have a significant
problem that I will be albe to help myself or my buddy out...period.  And the
$20.00 worth of HE we used was well justifed.  If you can't afford to do this
type of diving...Don't.

> I was on the
>  fucking boat, and all but one of us was breathing the long hose

That's funny I was just talking to my buddy who was with me.  We saw at LEAST
3 out of the 9 of you w/o long hoses...whoever dove with even the one that you
state was crazy.

 and only
>  one guy had the big evil "bondage wings". 

I agree there was one...I never stated that all of you were on bungee's...the
rest of you were wearing Zeagle BC's or Transpacs.  Not the best choice for
twin tank setups...

 You might want to consider
>  who is reading your tripe before you go making up stories.
>   
>  -Kyle

Not a single word was made up...I call it as I see it.  I apply rule #1 when
diving...

You obviously know of better safer ways of doing the dives your doing...to
know of a better safer way and to not do it is a stupid practice.  

Sean
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