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Subject: Re: Bondage wings
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:55:03 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: <DEnig@ao*.co*>
cc: "Tech Diver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
I have used both regular and bondage wings and the fact that stuporwings 
are dangerous travesties of design and implementation is as obvious as 
the nose on my face.

Another fact is that at least a dozen divers I know have shit-canned 
their bondage wings, even at huge $ losses. And you know what? I did not 
say a word to them as they are intelligent people and managed to figure 
it out for themselves. Every time I get on the dive boat I see fewer and 
fewer bondage stupor wings. How do you explain that?

So what is *your* problem? You have a choice of a steak sandwich or a 
shit sandwich, and you choose the shit sandwich everytime. And not only 
that, you sit there and try to convince me and others that the shit 
sandwich tastes great. It don't fly with me, brother, whats *your* agenda?

 Jim

Sender: DEnig@ao*.co*  Date: 9/2/98 5:12 AM

>In a message dated 8/31/98 2:55:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>cobber@ci*.co* writes:
>
>> IMHO bungees of any kind are just marketing fru-fru. They are not needed 
>>  and do nothing to improve your dive. The units out by ScubaPro and 
>>  DiveRite can be de-bungeed without any problem. And at least they won't 
>>  kill you if you leave the bungee on as they are designed to merely hold 
>>  in the slack rather than to "power-deflate" your wings. The OMS 
>>  stuporwings are a total loss, completely useless either bungeed or 
>>  unbungeed. 
>>  
>
>And yet, no one can say what the problem is with the OMS except that the
>"bungee" kills.
>Well, OK. Kathy has a good question. Let's have someone give an honest 
>answer.
>For that matter, answer this too. If I take the "bungees" off my OMS single
>bladder (100#) wings, exactly what is the difference between it and the "so
>called" safer brands? Is it Cosmetics? or Brand snobbery? on a serious
>note...is it material used? or some internal design not readily apparent? 
>What
>exactly, other than looks, is the difference? My wings don't have problems
>with dump cords run thru "channels." Even with the "bungee" on, I can inflate
>well past one or two breaths so I'm sure I didn't overtighten but hey, I can
>take them off and dive without. My inflator works just fine and is maintained
>just like any other inflator would be. My OMS accepts an SS plate and I can
>dive it w/single cylinder or doubles. I get a good amount of lift. Just
>exactly where is the problem? With the "bungee" left off, is it in reality,
>price? Style? Brand? I mean, I dive a single bladder OMS with zero, zilch,
>nada, nyet problems. If I ever find that the "bungee" is really a problem,
>I'll take em off (except for at the top cause I think wire wraps to keep it
>off the neck like was suggested, is not safe) so at that point, where is it
>different from the rest?
>Come on now. My mind is open I'm willing to listen. I'm willing to try and
>duplicate any problems in a controlled situation so that I too may see. But
>absent any proof, I'm not willing to dump my OMS and run with something else.
>Sheesh people. If I went into court to prove my cases with the same effort
>others have made to "prove" OMS wings are bad I'd end up with a conviction
>rate of 1 to 99 instead of 99 to 1. (And it's actually better than that cause
>I loose on average 1 in 350 to 400 and that includes radar cases)
>Dan


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