Jane was in a dry suit. Another area Wrolf is clearly not competent to make
"educated" guesses.
When she ascended from 40 to 30 feet, her drysuit began to gain positive
lift, along with her BC, so she vented her dry suit. having only done 2 dry
suit dives before, her saftey margin in operating her dry suit in a 300 foot
water collumn was similar to allowing a  Wrolf to land  a 747 jumbo jet with
two flying  lessons----chances for  catastrophic errors were enormous. The
instructor who allowed either scenario would need to be held criminally
negligent. Unfortuantely, IANTD does not seem to agree with this, based on
their lack of actions in response to this matter.

As to the wings---had they been Dive Rite or Halcyon ( non-bondage variety)
, even her operational mistake with the dry suit would have been
correctable.  Between her leaky inflator assembly ( which was applying less
air pressure to the wings in response to pressing the inflator button) and
her suicide wings which were wrapped by bungees so tight that they had far
less lift capacity through smaller volume which would stay filled, Jane
began sinking quickly once she got negative, and the only reflex she had
learned was to inflate her BC for lift---relyance on this, particularly
since she was using bondage wings, was the immediate cause of her
re-descent to the bottom.

Dan Volker

P.S.

Wrolf , you are a liability to this list. The noise level and isdirection
you create are dangerous to newcomers here. Get off of the list, or become a
permanent lurker before you contribute to a new diver's death.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: bdi [mailto:bdi@wh*.ne*]
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 1998 8:32 AM
> To: wrolf@co*.ne*
> Cc: KybrSose@ao*.co*; NAUI7874@ao*.co*; DOBSONJW@ao*.co*;
> techdiver@aquanaut.com; dlv@ga*.ne*
> Subject: Re: Fitness envy and more Wrolfing stupidity
>
>
> At 04:10 AM 23/08/1998 -0400, Wrolf Courtney wrote:
> >
> >So the "bondage" wings were unable to lift Jane off the
> bottom, several
> >days after she was lost.
> >She was presumably very negative on the hang (a bad thing),
> using a lot
> >of lift from the BC to acheive neutral buoyancy.
> >
> >With her wet suit, she would clearly have been more negative on the
> >bottom during her dive.  Presumably she managed to achieve
> at least near
> >neutral buoyancy, as she was able to leave the bottom with
> no reported
> >problem.
>
> Wrolf, I have read your speculations regarding the
> circumstances of Jane's last dive. You describe in
> detail a series of events which you suggest took
> place and led to her death.
>
> Tell me, have you done any trimix dives? Have you done
> any deep dives with multiple decompression gasses?
> Do you know what it's like to haul the mass of four or
> more cylinders and lights up from beyond 200ft?. Do you
> know how quickly you can burn your gas swimming to
> achieve or maintain a steady ascent from those depths
> or trying to hold a deco stop in the absence of
> neutral bouyancy and effective bouyancy control?
>
> I have asked you before to let me know what kind of
> experience you've had with trimix and multiple deco
> cylinders, but have not received your answer yet.
> Please oblige me with one.
>
> The reason I ask is because you are doing a lot of
> surmising and hypothesising on these lists. It is
> important for observers to understand where you are
> coming from.
>
> Are you re-visiting this tragedy and re-opening these
> wounds with a view to posing some real solutions based
> on a profound understanding of the dive and its problems,
> drawing from your own knowledge and experience, or are
> we witnessing (as I suspect) a crule, self-indulgent
> guessing game by an amateur (and I use the term in its
> broader sense) who is careless of the pain he is causing
> others?
>
> Wrolf. It's time to tell us what your experience base
> is.
>
> rgrds     billyw
>
> >
> >Now, in ascending from thirty to twenty feet, she would have
> needed to
> >dump some air.
> >
> >But at twenty feet, she suddenly lost her neutral buoyancy, going
> >negative,and heading down.
> >
> >So what happened at twenty feet?  Did she dump some air, but the dump
> >valve stuck open?  Did she fail to dump enough soon enough,
> and have the
> >overpressure go off and get stuck?  What makes her all of a sudden
> >uncorrectably negative at twenty feet, when she was doing
> fine at thirty
> >and below, with more need for lift.
> >
> >If she was uncontrollably negative at twenty feet, then it does seem
> >reasonable that she could not be made neutral at depth,
> where wet suit
> >compression and (possible) lungs filling would have added to the lift
> >requirements of the BC further.
> >
> >--
> >Wrolf
> >
> >
> >P.S.  At the request of Ken Sallot <kens@ac*.ne*>, I am
> >"keep[ing] this shit off of Cavers."
>
> That's OK Wrolf, I'll re-post the details of your experience
> over on cavers for you. A number of us are interested (I have
> emails to confirm this). Just post a summary of your experience
> levels in trimix, multiple decompression gas management and
> overhead (decompression or otherwise) environment diving to
> the techdiver list.
>
>

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