This is quality wrolf.

You are a total dumbF*ck..

Let's go over the "attributes" of bondage wings vs normal.

I assume that the owners think they have a smaller profile.
I assume that the owners think that "auto deflation" is good.

Anything else? Any reason that you can pull out of your grand
canyon stretched ass that you can add?

Elastic around wings is just stupid. If you are so freaking sad that you can not
deflate your wings without bungee you should not be diving... period.

If your are so freaking good that you think the profile of deflated bungeed
wings adds to your ability to make headway I want to see the facts...

Turn the argument around.

Why the hell are bungee wings good?
Show me that you can achieve better distances while using bungee.
Show me that non-strokes need auto-deflation.

Kiss my asss you sorry pussy,
Jeff


Wrolf Courtney wrote:

> In support of Alan and Dan, the reason that I went with the regular
> DiveRite Classic Wings, over the OMS so-called "bondage" wings, was due
> to the discussion on techdiver.
>
> It seemed to me that if a bunch of smart experienced divers all agreed
> that product A was good, but had vehement differences over whether
> product B was a little better for much more money, or was instead a
> lethal death trap - I would choose product A.
>
> I also went through the discussion in quite detail at the time, as the
> engineer and nerd that I am.  Some bench tests were proposed by the
> "bondage is good" crowd, which were responded to with "you are a stroke"
> flames.  I think that that is a shame, since if bondage is bad, then a
> Richard Feynmann style demonstration could save lives.
>
> Anecdotal evidence was presented by the "bondage is evil" crowd, but
> with no statistical summary or analysis.  And since practically all new,
> and most existing techdivers seem to use "bondage" wings, observing that
> any particular number of techdiver deaths were on "bondage" wings, seems
> to mean as much as that the observation that they were wearing all
> wearing fins.
>
> Specific analysis of a set of "bondage" wings involved in an accident
> could, of course, yield results.
>
> Alan, was there any specific failure mode noted by the ME in
> Jane Orenstein's case?  Or was it just a vague general statement.
>
> Also, did they have anything to do with anything?  Or is there any
> evidence that e.g. once she got up to twenty feet, the overpressure
> valve popped.
>
> If so, then she must have been drastically overweighted, near the end of
> the dive, to have massive negative buoyancy.
>
> My understanding, and let me know where I go wrong, is:
>
> 1.  Jane switches to her 80/20 instead of to her 50/50 at 70 feet.
>     Instructor faults = 1.
>
> 2.  At 30 feet, Jane shows her empty 80/20 gauge to instructor.
>     Perhaps not realizing that her O2 clock must be blown, perhaps not
>     realizing the implication that she had been breathing the 80/20
> instead
>     of the 50/50, he fails to give her an "air" break by switching her
>     for five minutes to the trimix.
>     Instructor faults = 2.
>
> 3.  Instead he sends her by herself to 20 feet.  That is to say,
> unaccompanied.
>     Without himself in physical contact, monitoring her for ventid,
> controlling her
>     buoyancy.  Without the appropriate gas, which she has just shown.
>     Instructor faults = 3.  Two big ones, plus one almost incredible
> one.
>
> 4.  Then when he sees here on the way down, presumably after she
> twitched out, he
>     fails to give any chase.
>     Fuck the instructor faults.  Time to call a guy called Vinnie.
>
> What does any of this have to do with any of her equipment?  What am I
> missing?
>
> Wrolf
>
> Wrolf's Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf
>
> P.S.  At the request of Ken Sallot <kens@ac*.ne*>, I am
> "keep[ing] this shit off of Cavers."
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