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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:31:49 -0400
To: cavers@ca*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, rebreather@nw*.co*
From: techvid@ne*.co* (Brown, Christopher)
Subject: Re: training questions

Chris H. -- in your first reply to me, you said:

>I have dived several units and taught for a couple of years now -
>theHalcyon training was part of ......

In the latest you said:

>        No 'training' dives were conducted in Wakulla on the Halcyon by
>myself or Dave. From what I saw there was no change in standards or
>procedures during our time in the water as support to the teams.

> Why do you feel that 'training' dives occurred?.

I understood they were training dives because of your first statement above
-- and the original post in which you described your training as being 12
hours worth and in a cavern. In one case you describe it as training -- but
the next it's not?

>To be honest Chris,

May I finish this sentence?  "....is a virtue."  Or...."is as rare as a
perfectly safe rebreather." ;-)

>I was'nt aware that 'everyone' was trying to get a feel. The agencies
>that offer rebreather training have manufacturer sanction for their
>course(s). If you feel that current training regimes are inadequate then
>you must qualify it - not simply suggest that so-and-so reckons that
>X,Y,and Z should be done.

Sorry, I didn't realize that all the training questions had been settled
and everyone agrees about what works and what's "enough". I had been
following debates for years, and as late as yesterday, about whether it's
the devices or inadequate experience/training that kills 'breather divers.
If, as you seem to imply, there's nothing left to be determined as to what
works, what's enough, etc. then there won't be any more debate over
'breather training standards.

> the basic game
>plan has never changed - does a person worry on this level every time
>they cross the road - the risk of death remains - but most folks look
>every time. If you don't look you increase the risk of getting knocked
>down - that's why most folks with common sense look!.

Precisely! My question still stands and, I feel, is an extremely important
one: how/why is it that people with *loads* of common sense, experience,
and intelligence *ever* fail to look -- and thereby lose the line? I think
there's a great deal to learn, for all of us, from the answer to that
question.

Also, in your first reply to me you said, comparing Wakulla/Blue Grotto to
UK caves:

> I have caved a few times in the UK (some would say proper cave
>diving - not this nancy boy clear water stuff ;-)).

This directly pertains to my subject: *perceived risk* vs actual risk.

Isn't it possible that "nancy boy" caves, esp. those like ours here in FL,
with warm temps and clarity -- or the vastness of a cavern like Wakulla's
-- or shallow as in Mexico -- or "idiot/failure proof" 'breathers -- may
effectively deceive even a very experienced diver about actual risk?

Thanks for your thoughtful responses!



Christopher A. Brown
The Technical Diving Video Library  http://www.aulinc.com/video.htm
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Life is short -- this is not a rehearsal.



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