Why is it that people can make jokes and other forms of sick humor about
people getting killed, but when someone makes a joke about a lawsuit,
everyone's sphincter shuts down?  I saw Wrolf's post for the obvious humor it
was intended to be, and laughed my ass off.

Before anyone starts scolding me about making light of a "serious matter", if
you want me to take you seriously, you'd better be prepared to scold a hell
of a lot of others on these lists who are way ahead in the game of making 
light of MUCH MORE serious matters.

Aloha,
Rich

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Wrolf Courtney wrote:

> Alton J. Hall wrote:
> 
> > Wrolf: I do not why you would post a message such as this in this
> > forumn.
> 
> Quite simply, because I was (and am) in considerable physical pain, and have
not
> slept for three nights because of it.  My usual lurid imagination was not
slowed
> down by my normal consideration of other people's viewpoint.  Hopefully I can
> get to surgery by the end of the week.
> 
> I apologize for the distress that I have caused, including to George, Martin,
to
> the readers of this forum who concluded that I was trying to encourage Martin
to
> sue George, and to you Alton.  The complete reversal must have seemed like a
> real back stab to you after our earlier conversation.  I am sorry.
> 
> Also, Martin was, shall we say, surprised by my loopy post.  This was in no
way
> part of any advice sought by him.  To the best of my knowledge he has no plans
> to sue anyone for anything.  And I am probably the last person in the world
that
> he would consult on such a matter.
> 
> > Since you opened the door, please allow me to respond. First, it
> > is illegal to practice law without a license. If you want to play get a
> > license or prepared to be sued and turned in to the authoritys.
> 
> To help us out in the future, what is the difference between practicing law
and
> talking of legal matters.  It is quite common to write about legal matters in
> forums such as techdiver and SCUBA-L, and I recall quite a lot of such talk
> regarding the WPB and Jane Orenstein tragedies, by WKPP members.  What is the
> line between talk around the cracker barrel, and acting as counsel?
> 
> > Second,
> > it is a compensible tort to incite litigation. Do not underestimate the
> > lengths that will be taken to insure that you are invited to the party
> > if litigation develops from your activitys.
> 
> I regret my post.  I would also like to warn anyone reading this not to even
> consider for one moment suing George, or anyone else.  The only winners in any
> lawsuit that I know of are the lawyers, and sometimes the wealthier party.
> 
> > Third, a person can only be
> > sued where there is personal jurisdiction over him or where he accepts
> > service of process.
> 
> What is personal jurisdiction?
> 
> I thought you could sue either where the shot is fired, or where the bullet
> hits, or where your attorney can make it fly somersaults.  So for libel,
cannot
> the plaintiff sue in their home jurisdiction?  Or is this only for criminal
law?
> 
> > Mr Irvine accepts service of process in New Orleans
> > LA. The address is on my web site. http://www.divelawyer.com/
> 
> Good choice.  Is Louisiana law really as full of traps as common law trained
> attorneys always say?  Or is it just that they are unfamiliar with it?
> 
> > Forumn
> > shopping by filing against a company over the nonemployment related
> > actions of an employee will accomplish nothing other than insuring that
> > you are sanctioned by the court.
> 
> Huh?  I thought that in your typical squalid little divorce case, after the
> judgment, the mother has to then seek a court order for garnishment of
earnings
> at the father's employer.  Would not such a mother be wise therefore to
initiate
> the divorce in a court with jurisdiction over the father's employer?
> 
> > Fourth, judgement proof or not YOU need
> > to seriously consider wheather you want to be involved in this. I would
> > hate to see you lose your computer. Alton
> 
> Eeek.  I would hate to lose my computer.  And you made a good guess - I
actually
> own it, all $1400 new of it.  Jointly with my wife, who uses it as a necessary
> tool of her trade.  But I am not quite as poor as I thought.  The same goes
for
> the car.
> 
> I would also hate to be involved in any litigation anywhere, but especially in
> the U.S.  I would like to explain what was going through my head when I
> concocted this post.
> 
> My (failed) intent was to press forcibly the idea upon George that he stick to
> the truth.  Opinions are fine, if labeled as such.  Outrageous lampooning and
> lambasting of public figures, complete with sexual innuendoes, is fine,
> especially if funny.
> 
> But falsehoods are not.  Unproven factoids are not.  Opinions and wild eyed
> guesses, presented as fact, are not.
> 
> And lambasting the newbies who wish to learn, thereby driving them away, and
> effectively suppressing everybody else's free speech, is not OK.
> 
> I am not talking about laws here, I am talking about values.
> I am talking about the Anglo-American tradition of free speech.
> And I am talking about the responsibilities that go along with those rights.
> 
> Safe Diving,
> 
> Wrolf
> 
> Wrolf's Wreck:     http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf
> Wrolf's Net.Wreck: http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml
> 
> 

Richard Pyle
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