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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:38:12 -0400
From: "Katherine V. Irvine" <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: DIR
To: pH <heseltine@ea*.ne*>
CC: "Mr. Clark" <john_clark_9@ju*.co*>, cavers@ca*.co*,
     techdiver@aquanaut.com, rebreather@nw*.co*
Subject: Death was Re: Bigot
Pete, my personal slant on this would be more along the lines of your
liberal thinking, which I can sum up as "any easier , softer way, any
pill, drug, majic carpet, any shortcut, or just plain anything other
than what it really takes to do whatever is at hand" .

I realize that the allure of the CCR as a leveler of playing fields is
tremendous, but it is illusory at best. 

Also, your willingness to entertain high risk behavior in diving is in
fact misplaced - people do not have to die diving, Pete, and you are out
of touch with the reality of the fact that they are dying, and they are
dying in droves off of the most widely distributed elctronic rebreather
in non-military diving - the "Inspriation". Get a clue. 

It really pisses me off that you use the "authority" of you MD to
dispense advice on a matter in which you are grossly insufficient, and
are in fact so severly so that I am apalled at the aboslute stupidity
and ignorance you reveal in private discussion on the subject of diving
and the physiology of diving. The fact that you have no understanding of
cave applications is certainly not idiosyncratic to you. Very few people
do.

However you are out of line with your simplistic nonsense and bungee
jumping logic on CCR's - thes people are dead. Pete, when people die,
they are dead. You need to find out about that. I am going to start
sending the private mail I get to all dive lists to put it in
perspective so yo and others can understand this . I have one on my
machine right now where the wife used the dead guy's account to email me
and ask how this could happen. That is a horrifying shock to turn on you
machine and see the name, the apology for using it, and then the
gut-wrentching horror of the reality that I would like to stick in your
yapping little mouth along with my foot.

My wife just had a real fun day in the E.R.- you do know what that is,
right. A kid got killed on his motorcycle - massive head injury , died
in the trauma center. She told the mother he was dead, and why. The
mother asked if the "swelling  ( of the head injury) would go down", and
the father asked if he  would "need to spend the night in the hospital".
Pete, you just plain  do not get the tragedy of death, and somebody
needs to shut your ignorant , dangerous, liberal , misiformed dumb ass
up on this electronic rebreather dementia , and if it takes putting your
squirley little ass in perspective, than more power to Mr. Clark - he
obviously got your attention. Now wake the hell up. This is no joke.

You reference here is unaceptable, Pete. I think you owe Tom Clancy an
appology. Funny , yes, but I am still very angry with you for not being
part of the solution here. You are out of line.

pH wrote:
> 
> George, Bill -
> 
> Is this guy for real or is the WKPP now a branch of the KKK?
> 
> pH
> 
> At 06:31 PM 8/2/98 -0400, Mr. Clark wrote:
> >Your cavalier attitude about people's lives and your tolerance for
> unacceptable risk >of that life emanates from the fact that you are a
> doctor who runs an A.I.D.S. clinic in Los Angeles., and now you have

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