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At 10:52 PM 27/07/1998 -0700, John Walker wrote: >> John, I've posted compilations of incident reports to the lists >> a number of times in response to the TDI and IANTD stooges who's >> usual tactic in the face of unpleasant news about their falibility >> of their calling is to stick their fingers in their ears, screw >> their eyes tightly shut, and yell "didn't happen, didn't happen, >> prove it, prove it." In fact I put a list together for a Ms Petersen >> a couple of days ago. You'll find it in the archives. >> >> >bdi wrote: >> > >> > Ten >> >> Instructors from one agency killed themselves in the >> >> last year. > > Ok billy, I have the list you posted in front of me and don't see >anything remotely close to 10 instructors from ANY agency on it. Quit >your bullshit lies and post the facts John, I have been on these lists for the last three years. At some stage I decided to start flicking each post relating to a diving 'incident' into a directory labeled 'incidents' - which has grown large and sad over the years. It sits just above 'insurance' on the directory tree. That directory now contains several hundred emails from the last few years. I missed some when I was on location or when I unsubscribed to concentrate on some projects. But in the main it is a fairly comprehensive record of the insanity that has prevailed in techical education. When I put lists together, such as the one I compiled for Ms Petersen, I go through that directory and pull out first hand, eyewitness, expert witness, investigative or coroners' court reports. What you see in that list wouldn't be half of the incidents that are in there. Here's a just a quick scan: Hennie Pretorius - TDI Technical Instructor, TMX Instructor candidate, Pat Bowring - TDI TMX Instructor, Rob Palmer - TDI Course Director, Rob Parker - TDI TMX Instructor, Denis Sirvet - TDI Instructor Trainer, Bernhard Prinz - TDI Technical Instructor, Andre Smith - IANTD Trimix instructor, Mike Elkins - IANTD Instructor, Rehan Bouwer - TDI TMX Instructor But if you think, John, I'm going to wade through that directory every time one of you dumb-as-dogshit-can't-even-put-my-regs-on-the- right-posts instructors yells "bullshit", you're even thicker than I thought. I am in the process of sending the entire incident directory over to Wrolf, a batch at a time, so he can do what he will with them - annotate, collate or precis them and put the results on his web site so you and the rest of the howler monkeys can climb the trees and find the bananas for yourselves. However, John, I doubt whether anyone will ever convince you that the technical training agencies need to modify their approach, because, John, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM - another IDIOT instructor who has proved on these lists that you are woefully lacking in the knowledge and the analytical powers required to be a technical diving educator. Unfortunately John, you are incorrigible. Debating(?) these things with you is like lecturing a room full of chronic alcoholics on the dangers of alcohol. They drool and fidget and cough, some even nod in agreement with what you are saying. But you know all the while they are wondering where their next drink is coming from. Got your regs on the right posts yet? Thought not. rgrds billyw -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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