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At 03:09 PM 23/07/1998 -0700, Barbara Peterson wrote: >My name is not Babs, it's Barbara. Why the diminuitive. You >attempting to put me down not because of what I say but because I'm a >woman? Each time the patterns with these technical agency fatalities are pointed out, the TDI and IANTD stooges tumble out screaming "prove it! prove it!". Guess what you looked like? No intro, no questions, no research, just "prove it! prove it!" >Thank you for doing the research for me, however since again you try >to 'put me down' I'll point out that I received the 'mailing list sign >on email' from someone else so never knew there were archives >available until someone informed me of that via private email. Well now you know to ask before challenging. > Don't assume facts not in evidence. > >For SOME of these you give brief facts, but not details of whether >they died by their own stupidity or because their training let them >down. Useless. This says more about your interpretive skills than the information I provided. Think about it. If all those instructors and instructor trainers and training directors died because their training let them down, we have to worry about their training organisations. If, on the other hand, they died by their own stupidity, then they should never have been instructors, instructor trainers or training directors in the first place, should they? So we should worry about their training organisations. Get it yet? Here's a tip: Stay away from a tech agency where the instructors have trouble staying alive. Below I've added commentary to each of the brief reports to help you get some 'use' from them. If you want someone to dig out the coroners' court proceedings and the autopsy reports, compile them and deliver them to you, I'll put you in touch with a net researcher. She can probably even locate pictures of the recovered bodies. But she'll charge you for it. Just let her know what detail you need to go to before you find the information useful. > However, I'll go check the archives for myself now. > >Sorry for the delay in replying, but when someone sends 4 emails with >the same title I had assumed (shouldnt do it,right) that they were >just repeats. That's what we call a 'thread'. You'll get used to it. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> HENNIE PRETORIUS >> Fatal accident following a sea dive, on a reef, using Trimix to a >depth of 106 metres (348 feet) with a bottom time of 12 minutes. Hennie >Pretorius died while participating on a TDI Trimix Instructor course. >Besides the course director, there was also one Technical Instructor. The Trimix Instructor trainee had previous unexplained (undeserved, they are often called) DCI episodes which could indicate the presence of a Patent Foramen Ovale. A technical instructor would know this precludes decompression diving. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> DOUG MISSAVAGE >> Douglas Missavage - student taking TDI extended range course, died >deep on air. Deep air should tell you that this agency's standards are dangerous. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> ROB PALMER >> Rob was involved in a TDI conference/workshop session out in the Red >> Sea. He died on a deep air dive in the Red Sea. he was a TDI >instructor, member of the TDI board of directors, and director for TDI >europe. A director of TDI Europe who dived deep air and killed himself. Unfortunately a better example dead than alive. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> ROB PARKER >> Parker died on a dive in the Bahamas. He was a TDI instructor, diving >> with a TDI instructor, diving with a TDI facility. Mix dive on twin >> independents, one of gas, one of air. A TDI Instructor who didn't bother to lead by example. See above. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> DENIS SIRVET >> A French diver, Denis Sirvet, disappeared during a cave dive at 110 >meters. He was in charge of a TDI school (Delphi) near Bordeaux and was a >regular contributor to the French diving Newsgroup. >> Dennis Sirven - died on a deep dive after smoking marijuana, as >confirmed by autopsy, was a TDI instructor and franchise holder for TDI france. >> One of air, one of light mix, head full of THC. Another responsible person, this time running TDI France. Do you suppose it is terribly easy to become a TDI instructor? >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> REHAN BOUWER >> Rehan was a TDI instructor trainer and Training Director of >> CMAS - ISA, died on Friday 26th June 1998 while carrying out a >> deep trimix dive during the Wright Canyon Expedition. >> Dived with a known faulty second stage and no isolator on his >> manifold. This is a Shroedinger's Cat death. A 120 metre dive without an isolator and with a faulty second stage. He would have know that the least problem at 13 ATA would dump his back gas. He knew one of his second stages was faulty. He did EVERYTHING he could to survive AFTER he lost his gas. But with that dodgy gear he was dead before he entered the water.The fight for survival was magnificent. The investigators' account is harrowing reading. Ultimately a rescuer almost died with him. A handgun would have been kinder. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> ANDRE B. SMITH, JOHN CLAYPOOL, MIKE ELKINS >> IANTD instructor Andre B. Smith lost student John S. Claypool >> on a trimix course dive through bondage wings, steel cylinders, >> student couldn't make ascent. Michael J. Elkins joined in rescue >> and died too. Instructor recommended equipment. Instructor Failure. Bondage wings and steel tanks, with wetsuits. The instructor recommended this gear. Insufficient lift at depth. A surviving diver recounted how they even tried to use a lift bag to raise the student. How do you know when an instructor is bullshitting you? >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> JANE ORNSTEIN >> Died on IANTD Trimix course Multiple equipment problems - >> equipment recommended by instructor. Then, when in trouble, >> she sufferd a Total Instructor Failure. Comms gear on her first deep trimix exposure. The instructor watched while the student switched to the wrong gas and breathed it for a while. Then he watched her sink and die. All while he completed his own deco. >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> TWO FRESH ONES IN SINGAPORE >> For the ill-fated trip, the dive boat was chartered to a TDI >> outfit. Phil had completed a TDI basic nitrox course and >> signed up for a TDI advanced nitrox course. As reported, Soo >> Leng had only completed a classroom lesson in a TDI basic nitrox >> course. Phil was diving air on independent doubles (strapped onto >> a Zeagle BC). Soo Leng was using air on a single tank. Phil >> > and Soo Leng were last seen at 80 metres by Soo Leng's sister They had dived deep on air the previous day. Why weren't they barred from diving? Or dropped ashore. Who was running the show? Oh yes. TDI. >> -------------------------------------------------------- rgrds billyw (note diminutive) -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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