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> I have 78 to 80 degree water in the swiming pool in the backyard. I get an > hour to an hour and a half in my bathing suit before I am uncomfortable, even > on a really hot day. I dont have to worry about getting _bent_ in the pool, so > I dont mind it. Al, there are plenty of dives one might do using high-cap tanks where the exposure causes no concern. Think of dives where you dive 1/3's. > Maybe you are sometype of superhuman strongman, a physiological freak if you > will. I am not. I would advise anyone planning a long dive to stay as warm as > possible, to avoid thermal injury and DCI caused by thermal injury. The best > way to do this and also provide redundant buoyancy is a drysuit. As warm as possible is pretty vague. Shall we all dive drysuits in the Keys? No obviously there are plenty of dives that make no call for a drysuit. I see little need for a drysuit on most NC coastal dives out in the Gulf Stream. > Which brand of steel tank are you going to dive?? I can swim my hp gennies > wet with no problem. My LP PST 95's forget it. I have not dove the oms tank, > I am now planning on borrowing a pair just to satisify my curosity. I have > been told by their owners that they are similar to hp's as far as buoyancy and > buoyancy shift during a dive. ( they start negative and float at the end) The OMS 98's are much better than the PST's. I could swim those up. This argument isn't for me. I was arguing against the one-sided un-fact-based bashing of the OMS wings. > me doing so. Personally im bored with this discussion now too, because its > obivious your trying to score some magical points with someone, and I dont > give a rats ass about that. No points. Who the hell could I possibly be scoring with? this is not a popular argument to make. What's worse most cannot grasp the idea that I am not so much arguing for OMS wings as I am arguning against the idea that they be dissed without a set of solid factual reasons. If they suck, that is fine, but I am stating that so far I fail to see the bashers give solid evidence to support their claims. The list has degenerated to the point where someone proclaims something "stroke" gear and everyone is so brainwashed they start selling it yesterday. No one dares ask for an explanation why the gear was put down, b/c to ask means you will be labeled a "stroke" and as I think I've shown in this thread, you really don't get a direct, focused, fact based answer anyway. so what's the point? > And as far as your assumption that I dive hogarthian because its the cool > thing to do, its your right to say that, but it is WRONG. The system was > suggested to me as being better than the way I used to do things, and it has > proven itself to be so by the weight of my own personal experience. I would > suggest to you that opening your mind and trying these ideas out is far better > than pointless debates. Opening your mind would allow that Hogarth isn't perfect for all conditions. (yeah I'm really looking to score points here :-) ... yeesh. ) One size does not fit all. Do I need to start using a scooter now too? :-) If you saw my rig you feel like a fool. Find something un-hogarth on it. I happen to agree with the system. However that was not my motive for this thread. It was to try to see if the endless bashing on this list had any solid bashing or if had just reached the level of being "sport" for people. In discussing the merits of OMS wings we have one side yelling "bondage", the other side yelling back and no one making logic rational analysis of what is really good or bad about the wings. Are the totally flawed, maybe partially, maybe none. What is good, what is bad, why? Heaven forbid, but what features might be worth saving for a re-design? My slant on this was trying to remove the most volatile issue, the bungees, and discuss the pros/cons of the wings aside from that. > I continue to seek actual facts about the OMS wing, of which you have > provided NONE. What facts do you want? I have shown that failure-wise there is fundamentally no difference from a dry suit. And you and Cobber have proclaimed dry suits as being just dandy. The facts are for you or Cobb to provide to explain why one is ok but you say the other is not. I'm not the one who was on this list making strongly opinionated statements for or against the wings. I simply challenged those that were to back up their claims. So far IMO they cannot. Mike -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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