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Mike, I honestly am at a loss for words for you, but I will try one more time. Failure points- Statistically increasing the number of failure points on a system increases the chance of failure. Why can't you get that through your thick skull? What happens more often, a wing failure or a LP hose failure? I don't know of anyone who keeps statistics on this so you will have to trust me on this on, and that is LP hoses fail more often than bladders. So where is the logic in adding another LP hose to compensate for a rare to non-existent problem, will you please explain that to me, Mike, will you, huh??? Simplicity- I assume that you are a extended range diver with some sense and are using a drysuit. This is not an argument about replacing a drysuit with an extra bladder. Now what do you use all during your dive? Your primary inflater and your drysuit inflater. If you dive a lot it is instinctive you don't even think about it. Should you have a failure of one system or other there is no hesitation, no pause, no scrambling, nothing. You react instinctively. With a second inflator how often do you use that? Only when you decide to mess with it. As an ex-bondage diver I can tell you that you avoid at all costs using the second bladder as a routine because it sucks. You will have to try one out and in 5 mins you will see what I mean. If you have a problem you will be scrambling to find the hose, figure out how much air is in your damaged bag (and some bozos will actually have to find the LP hose they disconnected because of that time they accidentally inflated the second bladder which caused them to rocket to the surface). What is the sense with this, Mike, will you please explain why this is better than planning for and using your drysuit, will you, Mike, will you??? If you want to continue this thread because you don't understand the above, fine, but I am getting the feeling that I am trying to teach a pig to sing, here. Oh and as far as insult and innuendo is concerned, let me get out my crayons and paper and I will try to explain it to you some time. Jim On 7/16/98 8:38 AM Mike Zimmerman wrote: >> Mike, I realize that it's hard for you to type with one hand while the >> other is holding your drool cup, so I appreciate your efforts in keeping >> this thread alive beyond my wildest imaginings. > >Always good to be appreciated. :-) > >> It is apparent that you don't understand the concept of failure points so >> I won't go into that anymore. > >Bullshit Jim. You done nothing except try the old >proof-by-excessive-hand-waving >technique... I called the bluff. I'm still waiting. > >> I also gather that you don't understand the >> benefits of simplicity when you are in a stressful situation, so I will >> skip that too. > >The back-up bladder seems simpler than a drysuit to me. Or certainly >no more complicated. You learn to dive with a bladder from day 1. Usually >you are less familiar with a drysuit and the attendant buoyancy issues. > >> I also require you to prove that the dual-bladder in one bag concept has >> saved any lives. I don't want any 3rd person accounts, I want factual >> proof that OMS bondage wings actually serve a purpose beyond a very >> successful marketing technique. >> >> Al and I are still waiting for someone to take up the challenge. > >I don't have to prove they are NOT dangerous. I have shown that >as far as failure points they are equivalent to a drysuit. YOU >have stated that a drysuit is beneficial as backup buoyuancy. You did >my job for me, I just had to show you the connections. Thanks. > >You're wimping out Jim. Hell I don't care if you pass the ball to >Al. That's fine. Although the technique looks more like a kid taking >his ball and going home when people insist he play by the rules. > >Again, show without name-calling and innuendo how the second bladder >is more dangerous as a back-up buoyancy device than a drysuit. > >Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix At http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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