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I'm bored so I'll bite. Jim Cobb wrote: > Will one of you bonage aficiandos please explain to me again what exactly > wonderful thing these POS do to offset the complexity, fear and doubt > that they cause? Complexity? Some rubber straps? Are you afraid of your mask strap? Didn't you post a while back about irrational fear? I'm not afraid of my bondage wings, never had a doubt about their performance. I've heard only heard stories about bondage wings problems and death implications on techdiver. In real life, I've never witnessed a problem with bondage wings. The wings have never been proven to cause anything but for a diver to maintain buoyancy. The day anyone, real or virtual, offers third party (aka prosecutor's office, ME, USCG) proof that they caused an accident I will be the first one to study it. > It looks like you all have agreed that the setup of the bondage, the hose > storage and routing, training, maintenance of the overpressure valves are > extremely critical to keep these from killing you. What justifies this? All tech dive equipment must be maintained and configured for maximum effectiveness. Relax. I did performed inspections and fine tuned my configuration even with my old regular wings. > So you have 2 bladders? How would you puncture one of them, by ripping > the outer shell, correct? If the outer shell is ripped, what exactly > keeps the other bladder contained? > How many of you have had standard wing failures which drove you to using > bondage wings? What was the nature of the failure and how do bondage > wings mitigate that failure point? A friend of mine working on removing a cage light at about 270 fsw noticed that due to his prying motion he had sliced a slit in the back of his wings. Would a tire tube have protected it? No one knows. He said the way it was cut an inner bladder would have been functional, if he had one. With maximum gas in the suit he said he still needed to drop something: all his tools and artifacts or his weight belt to get buoyant. Now he has the double bladder. > And how many were talked into these by a diveshop salesman or instructor? Don't know. I wasn't. > And how many bought these things because you wanted to look cool, just > like the other bondage technecule divers? I think if I just wanted to look cool, I would buy a really cool car. Or maybe dive a total hog rig. In FL, your not cool if your not totally hog. > How many of you are just stubborn brick-heads who are keeping their > stupid bondage wings just out of mulish principle? I am. The mulish principle being I do my own thinking based on real world experience of mine. I know what I do works for me. > How many of you have tried standard wings and rejected them for the > bondage? What was the reason for this rejection, really? I have. For one thing, what you all muse as the bondage straps keeping the bubble stable is absolutely correct. Do a free floating hang in a wing. At the 6 msw stop roll a bit, or change from a prone position to an upright one. See how your buoyancy does change. If your not paying strict attention, you start sinking or ascending. Now do it in a bondage wing. The change in buoyancy due to movement of the bubble is gone.Also, when not at max inflation, since the bungees keep the bubble distributed throughout the wing, I can use my low pull dumps to dump gas from the wing. So when I am a little light and am adjusting a stage bottle or camera I can just go to the nearest dump down there and pull. > How do you explain the constant stream of bondage wings for sale on this > and the cavers list? They are by far and away the most popular item for > sale on these lists. Irrational fear. And in this market, there is a buyer for every seller. I got some good deals on bondage wings thanks to this list. > Lets get to the bottom of this issue once and for all. I don't know that that will ever happen. Tom -- Guns and Armour of SCAPA FLOW 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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