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Will one of you bonage aficiandos please explain to me again what exactly wonderful thing these POS do to offset the complexity, fear and doubt that they cause? It looks like you all have agreed that the setup of the bondage, the hose storage and routing, training, maintenance of the overpressure valves are extremely critical to keep these from killing you. What justifies this? So you have 2 bladders? How would you puncture one of them, by ripping the outer shell, correct? If the outer shell is ripped, what exactly keeps the other bladder contained? How many of you have had standard wing failures which drove you to using bondage wings? What was the nature of the failure and how do bondage wings mitigate that failure point? And how many were talked into these by a diveshop salesman or instructor? And how many bought these things because you wanted to look cool, just like the other bondage technecule divers? How many of you are just stubborn brick-heads who are keeping their stupid bondage wings just out of mulish principle? How many of you have tried standard wings and rejected them for the bondage? What was the reason for this rejection, really? How do you explain the constant stream of bondage wings for sale on this and the cavers list? They are by far and away the most popular item for sale on these lists. Lets get to the bottom of this issue once and for all. Jim Sender: Thomas A. Easop Date: 7/13/98 11:21 PM >KybrSose@ao*.co* wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> What I want to know is the facts behind the wing. Tell me what psi is >> required to activate the overpressure dump and how you place the bungee to >> avoid causing this problem. How do you do it? >> >> No one else has an answer to that one tough guy, and it seems like a >> reasonable question. >> >> I'm more interested in preventing more deaths than in name calling and >counter >> productivity. >> >> You say under stress you'll revert to your training. How can you train to >> avoid false overpressure dump valve activation? > >Al:Here is what I do. Prior to each and every dive, I fully inflate the >wings to >the max. The overpreasure relief valve activates. I look at the wing to >see if its >fully inflated all the way. If they are, then the bungees are not "too >tight" as >to cause the valve to activate before the wing has maximum lift. If it >works at 1 >ATA it works at any ATA, no measuring of psi's needed. > >Someone suggested the temperature of the water will affect elasticity of the >bungees. I'm sure that is the case. However, I have dove my bondage wings in >cavernss with water temps of 2-4 deg C/38-39 deg F, and frozen lakes. >While I've >hadn't the need for maximum lift, I never encountered a problem. > >Maybe this will make for a good experiment come winter. Check to see if >the bungee >prevents max inflation while on an ice dive. I too am interested in >preventing >needless death, especially my own. > >Tom > >> Al Marvelli aka KybrSose@ao*.co* >> >> In a message dated 7/13/98 7:33:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DEnig writes: >> >> > No Al......You prove that the OMS wings have problems. While you are at it, >> > produce documented proof that in all these recent deaths, OMS wings were in >> > use by each and every one of these divers. >> > If you wish to tie OMS wings in as a factor in all the deaths, then YOU >> > better be prepared to prove that they were in use by all the divers at the >> > time they died. Others don't have to prove that they work. >> > Granted, because I use OMS wings you will probably consider me a "stroke" >> > but: >> > 1) I know what equipment works for me >> > 2) I know what my abilities are and don't push those limits >> > 3) I plan my dives and dive my plan >> > 4) I practice for the unexpected (Murphy loves to dive too) >> > >> > While I've never faced a life and death situation in the water I have had >> > minor, irritating "mishaps" that I've dealt with, learned from and >practiced >> > dealing with. >> > I've faced enough "life and death" situations on land to learn and know >> that >> > training with your equipment, being familier with your equipment and >> practice, >> > practice, practice can mean the difference between life and death. >> > Under stress, we humans revert to how we are trained/practice. >> > Dan >> > ***************************************** >> > Press hard it's 5 copies.......................... >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > >-- >Guns and Armour of SCAPA FLOW >1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks >http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Learn About Trimix at http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/trimix.html -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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