We have two Dorias and an Oregon. Pretty work. 


Jim Cobb wrote:
> 
> Are we talking about the Doria fatality? I thought Harvy died on the
> Oregon?
> 
>  Jim
> 
> Sender: Raimo4252@ao*.co*  Date: 7/12/98 4:36 PM
> 
> >In a message dated 98-07-12 07:07:18 EDT, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes:
> >
> ><<
> > Bob, just for the scorecard, for which agency was this guy an
> > instructor? The fact is that we have had more INSTRICTORS die in the
> > last year than we have had total tech deaths in the previous four years.
> > We have had more total "tech" deaths in the last year than in the
> > previous six years. >>
> >
> >
> >It's pretty pathetic when there are this many Instructors dying. Harvey was
> >not an Instructor, heck, for all I know he may never have even been
> >certified.
> >Harvey was one of the old timers up here, been around forever, seemed like
> >he'd be around forever too.
> >
> >Harvey was well known for diving till he was low on air then just come up and
> >wing it as far as deco goes.I have been on dives with Harvey many times, and
> >on two occasions I had to swim out after him and drag him back to the boat.
> >Once after surfacing from 180 feet, 7 min btm time, dropped his weight belt
> >just to get to the surface. Pretty scary if you ask me.
> >
> >Anyway, Harvey was not the most careful diver, but he was the most generous
> >dive store owner anyone will ever meet. Bottom line, he was a nice guy.
> >Harvey
> >will be missed.
> >
> >IMO, Harvey died from one of three reasons:
> >
> >1) Too much oxygen in his tank for the depth he was at. Harvey was careless
> >about nitrox. He asked me to install a system for him back around 1992-93,
> >but
> >I refused simply because he ran a very careless operation. So too much Oxygen
> >would not surprise me.
> >
> >2) It has already been rumored that Harvey committed suicide. He had given
> >his
> >brother-in-law the keys to his store, something he never does. It was common
> >knowledge that he was broke and business was poor. He lost his accountants,
> >was closed once by the sherriff for failure to pay back taxes, and Con Ed
> >(the
> >electric company) had turned off his electric. His building has been up for
> >sale. So who knows. He did die with gas left in his tanks. One of the local
> >boat Captains in brooklyn may have better info on this than me, so maybe they
> >can shed some light here.
> >
> >3)Medical problem. He was 67, so a heart attack, stroke etc. cannot be ruled
> >out. Lets wait for the autopsy.
> >
> >Again, Harvey was a friend to a lot of people, and a character to most. His
> >death should not be lumped in with the recent deaths of a technical nature.
> >Harvey should be allowed to rest in peace, regardless of the cause of death.
> >
> >I agree with you on the amount of Instructor deaths/tech deaths. It's getting
> >pathetic. I have already begun refusing "referrals" from instructors that I
> >either do not know or know they should'nt be teaching. If that means that I
> >will  brought up on BOA ethics charges, so be it. If the agencies cannot put
> >there foot down, well, maybe some of the better instructors out there will.
> >
> >We do need support however from the boats. If a boat is willing to take
> >anyone
> >to any dive without requiring training, then the diver gets to bypass the
> >instruction. So my point is we do need SOME TYPE of self regulation, but
> >training agencies, instructors and dive boat operators need to be in sync.
> >
> >Regards, Bob
> >
> >PS - I guess I'll have to come down when your diving in Wakulla starts to get
> >serious and show you how to dive :)
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