Are we talking about the Doria fatality? I thought Harvy died on the 
Oregon?

 Jim

Sender: Raimo4252@ao*.co*  Date: 7/12/98 4:36 PM

>In a message dated 98-07-12 07:07:18 EDT, kirvine@sa*.ne* writes:
>
><< 
> Bob, just for the scorecard, for which agency was this guy an
> instructor? The fact is that we have had more INSTRICTORS die in the
> last year than we have had total tech deaths in the previous four years.
> We have had more total "tech" deaths in the last year than in the
> previous six years. >>
>
>
>It's pretty pathetic when there are this many Instructors dying. Harvey was
>not an Instructor, heck, for all I know he may never have even been 
>certified.
>Harvey was one of the old timers up here, been around forever, seemed like
>he'd be around forever too.
>
>Harvey was well known for diving till he was low on air then just come up and
>wing it as far as deco goes.I have been on dives with Harvey many times, and
>on two occasions I had to swim out after him and drag him back to the boat.
>Once after surfacing from 180 feet, 7 min btm time, dropped his weight belt
>just to get to the surface. Pretty scary if you ask me.
>
>Anyway, Harvey was not the most careful diver, but he was the most generous
>dive store owner anyone will ever meet. Bottom line, he was a nice guy. 
>Harvey
>will be missed.
>
>IMO, Harvey died from one of three reasons:
>
>1) Too much oxygen in his tank for the depth he was at. Harvey was careless
>about nitrox. He asked me to install a system for him back around 1992-93, 
>but
>I refused simply because he ran a very careless operation. So too much Oxygen
>would not surprise me. 
>
>2) It has already been rumored that Harvey committed suicide. He had given 
>his
>brother-in-law the keys to his store, something he never does. It was common
>knowledge that he was broke and business was poor. He lost his accountants,
>was closed once by the sherriff for failure to pay back taxes, and Con Ed 
>(the
>electric company) had turned off his electric. His building has been up for
>sale. So who knows. He did die with gas left in his tanks. One of the local
>boat Captains in brooklyn may have better info on this than me, so maybe they
>can shed some light here.
>
>3)Medical problem. He was 67, so a heart attack, stroke etc. cannot be ruled
>out. Lets wait for the autopsy.
>
>Again, Harvey was a friend to a lot of people, and a character to most. His
>death should not be lumped in with the recent deaths of a technical nature.
>Harvey should be allowed to rest in peace, regardless of the cause of death.
>
>I agree with you on the amount of Instructor deaths/tech deaths. It's getting
>pathetic. I have already begun refusing "referrals" from instructors that I
>either do not know or know they should'nt be teaching. If that means that I
>will  brought up on BOA ethics charges, so be it. If the agencies cannot put
>there foot down, well, maybe some of the better instructors out there will.
>
>We do need support however from the boats. If a boat is willing to take 
>anyone
>to any dive without requiring training, then the diver gets to bypass the
>instruction. So my point is we do need SOME TYPE of self regulation, but
>training agencies, instructors and dive boat operators need to be in sync.
>
>Regards, Bob
>
>PS - I guess I'll have to come down when your diving in Wakulla starts to get
>serious and show you how to dive :)
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