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Tom, you are a complete idiot: these buoyancy problems are due to the unbalanced rig and in some cases the bondage wings that the tech instructors have told these students to wear. I am told that your fine agency forbids diving with aluminum tanks, even with a wetsuit, and demands the silly wings. The instructor is at fault for overweighting the students, and telling them that is how it is supposed to be. You can whine all you want - you are dead wrong, you can not explain a single thing you do coherently, and you have no concept of the whole picture. Obviously , the long list of deaths means nothing to you. Typical dive instructor - do nothing , know nothing, big mouth, all wrong, all the wrong answers, and the first to comment on anything and everything with some street bum philosophy of life. Thomas A. Easop wrote: > > Katherine V. Irvine wrote: > > <snip> > > > You tell me: if at least two of those dead people recently had weighting > > and buoyancy problems, who is at fault? Who is at fault if this > > ridiculous combination continues to be ENFORCED , even after the recent > > spate of accidents. > > <snip> > > Kathy (or Ian): > > As I have said in private threads with you, the students are at fault. The > students who take these classes are adult divers, presumably with experience. > Buoyancy control is one of the last skills still taught in basic PADI beginner > diving. If a competent tech student cannot be called upon to exercise their own > knowledge, judgment, and skill of buoyancy control then there is a problem with > the student. If a competent tech student is instructed to dive in a manner that > they feel is dangerous (too deep/too heavy/too soon) and ignore all their > experience and common sense, they have no one to blame except themselves. > > If they are not a competent student, do not have the knowledge, judgment, and > skill that comes from experience then they do not belong in a tech class. If > they find themselves in a class (say out of peer pressure, etc.), common sense > dictates that the student realize before they are in the water that they are in > over their head. > > Instructors have some responsibility, but ultimately its up to the student to > decide to and conduct the dive. > > I've always conducted my diving at my pace, and at my discretion, using my head, > and been responsible for myself. With an instructor or without. > > I think the agencies should include a test in the class at the beginning to see > if the students are using their knowledge, skill and judgment. Have the > instructor call the students to do something everyone knows would be too > much-too soon or just plain dangerous. See if the students are still thinking. > That should be lesson number one. Always think for yourself. > > Tom > > -- > Guns and Armour of SCAPA FLOW > 1998 Underwater Photographic Survey of Historic Wrecks > http://www.gunsofscapa.demon.co.uk -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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