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From: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
To: "Paul Larrett" <Paul_Larrett_at_LUC@co*.co*.uk*>, <kirvine@sa*.ne*>,
    
Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: BODY COUNT - SCORE CARD TO FOLLOW
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:51:03 -0400
 Sorry Paul, I have to disagree here. The "scoring system" is relevant, not
for those who have been diving tech for years, but for the new divers who
would like to be trained to become better divers. With the scoring system in
place, they have one more "tool" at their disposal, to help them to avoid
Derick McNulty  or Andre Smith type training accidents.  Most new divers
would rather not die this way---most would "like" a rating system of
instructors and agencies.
Dan Volker

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Larrett <Paul_Larrett_at_LUC@co*.co*.uk*>
To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>; techdive@ea*.ne*
<techdive@ea*.ne*>
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Friday, July 03, 1998 6:23 AM
Subject: Re[2]: BODY COUNT - SCORE CARD TO FOLLOW



>     Katherine,
>
>     You wrote <We can then update the scorecard as to what agency is in
>     the lead>.
>
>     The concept of an agency scoring system based on the number of
>     fatalities, or lack of them, feels wrong somehow.
>
>     Such "one-up-man-ship" suggests insecurity and a need to "prove"
>     oneself.
>
>     I take no sides in this "war" of technical agencies, in my experience
>     it is the quality of the individual (diver and instructor) that
>     counts. I do not condone a bad training system and if one of the
>     agencies has serious flaws they should be corrected asap.
>
>     By <in the lead>, what did you mean? What's the race?
>
>     A training system based on excellence, using only the best instructors
>     teaching only the best students (by recommendation) is the way
>     forward. Let's hope G.U.E. fulfils this.
>
>     Paul Larrett
>
>
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>Subject: Re: BODY COUNT - SCORE CARD TO FOLLOW
>Author:  techdive@ea*.ne* at Internet
>Date:    02/07/98 20:13
>
>
>Katherine V. Irvine wrote:
>>
>> Been a good week : one rebreather death, one NE wreck death, and one
>> South Africa "tech" death. Maybe we can get the details on these in the
>> hope that they do not get immediately repeated.
>>
>>   We can then update the scorecard as to what agency is in the lead,
>> which rebreather has the higest body count, and what know-it-all method
>> of strokery was used to "exucute" these dives.
>>
>>   I can not believe the insurance companies are stupid enough to let the
>> same idiots put them at the same risk over and over and over. Let's talk
>> about these accidents -
>>
>
>   Katherine,  why is it you think that any agency is at falt? Had you
>looked at the possibility that any of these divers maybe steped outside
>of the boundries that were taught to them. You may be jumping the gun
>alittle early.    John
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