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Hank:
What the PITA approval method assures is that the apparent sending e-mail
address is
in fact the sending e-mail address. It is pretty simple to fake your e-mail
address
in mail that you sent (just change your settings in Netscape or IExplorer), but
difficult to get someone else's incoming mail.
What "Georgina" did was sign up for a free e-mail account with HotMail, with a
name
that looks sort of like George's ("Georgina Irvine" <kategmiv@ho*.co*>).
"Georgina" then wrote a much better parody of George than mine. For anyone who
missed
it:
From: "Georgina Irvine" <kategmiv@ho*.co*>Subject: RE: Pre-dive
briefing....Derrick tells students its everymanDate: Mon, 18 May 1998
22:36:52 PDT> Your and WKPP's efforts to clean the 'techdive training'
industry's >house is sobering to and appreciated by many on and off this
list -- >thank you for the heads up.> John Hoffman There's enough bullshit
going on, we don't need dick sucking. Thereal people to blame are the usual
suspects, tell it to Mount andhis band of 80% wonder robot idiots.It's
people like Mount who make the certification business the jokethat it is,
and we won't have a clean slate until his geriatricass is reamed in
court...we've all been waiting too long, and seentoo many innocent people
die.-G
Wrolf
GarlooEnt wrote:
> kevin
> you are obvious;y someone that understands this crap- i have a question.
> how is it possible for someone to "fake" an e-mail like this when the server
> has this pain in the ass approval method that usually take me three or more
> tries to get a message posted?????
> if it doesn't work why are we all being put through this tourture?
> hank
>
> In a message dated 98-05-19 16:07:41 EDT, you write:
>
> << Subj: Re: Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
> Date: 98-05-19 16:07:41 EDT
> From: kevin@nw*.co* (Kevin Connell)
> To: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
> CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com, abuse@ps*.ne*
>
> It's a PSI net customer - The destination host unreachable means that it is
> probably a dynamically assigned ip.
>
> It looks like it came from a router in the NW (or what they call
> nw.us.psi.net)
>
> If people would kindly send a note with a copy of the trace and message (ip
> adress and time should be sufficient) to abuse@ps*.ne*, that would be great.
>
>
> Tracing route to 38.222.189.99 over a maximum of 30 hops
>
> 1 125 ms 125 ms 125 ms sf-pm3.slip.net [207.171.192.21]
> 2 110 ms 125 ms 125 ms sf-core-gw.slip.net [207.171.192.1]
> 3 125 ms 140 ms 125 ms ip1.dmz107.nw.us.psi.net [204.6.107.1]
> 4 ip1.dmz107.nw.us.psi.net [204.6.107.1] reports: Destination host
> unreachab
> le.
>
> Trace complete.
>
> At 11:24 AM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
> > The Georgina Irvine post ( another person trying to fake George, and in
> >this cowardly manner., to cause him trouble) came from this originating ip
> >address:
> >
> >Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
> >
> >
> >
> >The asshole who did this needs to be tracked down, and "burned". Any help
> >on the tracking would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >The body of the header info was :
> >Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@bi*.te*.ne* [199.103.128.2]) by
> >chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA65716; Tue, 19 May 1998
> >10:16:21 -0400
> >Received: (mail@lo*)
> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for
> > id JAA04452; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:10:47 -0400
> >Precedence: bulk
> >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*)
> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver
> > id BAA26941; Tue, 19 May 1998 01:37:24 -0400
> >Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186])
> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with SMTP for
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > id BAA26932; Tue, 19 May 1998 01:37:24 -0400
> >Received: (qmail 9475 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 1998 05:36:52 -0000
> >Message-ID: <19980519053652.9474.qmail@ho*.co*>
> >Received: from 38.222.189.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
> > Mon, 18 May 1998 22:36:52 PDT
> >X-Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
> >From: "Georgina Irvine" <kategmiv@ho*.co*>
> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: RE: Pre-dive briefing....Derrick tells students its everyman
> > for
> >Content-Type: text/plain
> >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:36:52 PDT
> >X-UIDL: b5fd157a5cbc1158584891d2b3753ccf
> >
> >--
> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
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> >
> >
>
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> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:31:09 -0700
> To: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
> From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
> Subject: Re: Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, abuse@ps*.ne*
> In-Reply-To: <199805191512.LAA74210@on*.ga*.ne*>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
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--
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Hank:
<P>What the PITA approval method assures is that the apparent sending e-mail
address is in fact the sending e-mail address. It is pretty simple
to fake your e-mail address in mail that you sent (just change your settings
in Netscape or IExplorer), but difficult to get someone else's incoming
mail.
<P>What "Georgina" did was sign up for a free e-mail account with HotMail,
with a name that looks sort of like George's ("Georgina Irvine"
<kategmiv@ho*.co*>).
<P>"Georgina" then wrote a much better parody of George than mine.
For anyone who missed it:
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>From: "Georgina Irvine" <kategmiv@ho*.co*>Subject: RE:
Pre-dive briefing....Derrick tells students its everymanDate: Mon, 18 May
1998 22:36:52 PDT> Your and WKPP's efforts to clean the 'techdive training'
industry's >house is sobering to and appreciated by many on and off this
list -- >thank you for the heads up.> John Hoffman There's enough
bullshit going on, we don't need dick sucking. Thereal people to blame
are the usual suspects, tell it to Mount andhis band of 80% wonder robot
idiots.It's people like Mount who make the certification business the jokethat
it is, and we won't have a clean slate until his geriatricass is reamed
in court...we've all been waiting too long, and seentoo many innocent people
die.-G</BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><B>Wrolf</B>
<P>GarlooEnt wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>kevin
<BR>you are obvious;y someone that understands this crap- i have a question.
<BR>how is it possible for someone to "fake" an e-mail like this
when the server
<BR>has this pain in the ass approval method that usually take me three
or more
<BR>tries to get a message posted?????
<BR>if it doesn't work why are we all being put through this tourture?
<BR>hank
<P>In a message dated 98-05-19 16:07:41 EDT, you write:
<P><< Subj: Re:
Originating-IP:
[38.222.189.99]
<BR> Date: 98-05-19 16:07:41 EDT
<BR> From: kevin@nw*.co* (Kevin Connell)
<BR> To: dlv@ga*.ne* (Dan Volker)
<BR> CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com, abuse@ps*.ne*
<P> It's a PSI net customer - The destination host unreachable means
that it is
<BR> probably a dynamically assigned ip.
<P> It looks like it came from a router in the NW (or what they call
<BR> nw.us.psi.net)
<P> If people would kindly send a note with a copy of the trace and
message (ip
<BR> adress and time should be sufficient) to abuse@ps*.ne*, that
would be great.
<BR>
<P> Tracing route to 38.222.189.99 over a maximum of 30 hops
<P> 1 125 ms 125 ms 125
ms sf-pm3.slip.net [207.171.192.21]
<BR> 2 110 ms 125 ms 125
ms sf-core-gw.slip.net [207.171.192.1]
<BR> 3 125 ms 140 ms 125
ms ip1.dmz107.nw.us.psi.net [204.6.107.1]
<BR> 4 ip1.dmz107.nw.us.psi.net [204.6.107.1]
reports:
Destination host
<BR> unreachab
<BR> le.
<P> Trace complete.
<P> At 11:24 AM 5/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
<BR> > The Georgina Irvine post ( another person trying to fake
George, and in
<BR> >this cowardly manner., to cause him trouble) came from this
originating ip
<BR> >address:
<BR> >
<BR> >Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
<BR> >
<BR> >
<BR> >
<BR> >The asshole who did this needs to be tracked down, and
"burned".
Any help
<BR> >on the tracking would be appreciated.
<BR> >
<BR> >
<BR> >The body of the header info was :
<BR> >Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@bi*.te*.ne*
[199.103.128.2])
by
<BR> >chickasaw.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA65716; Tue,
19 May 1998
<BR> >10:16:21 -0400
<BR> >Received: (mail@lo*)
<BR> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) for
<BR> > id JAA04452; Tue, 19 May 1998 09:10:47 -0400
<BR> >Precedence: bulk
<BR> >Errors-To: owner-techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR> >Received: from bighorn.terra.net (root@lo*)
<BR> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with EXEC for techdiver
<BR> > id BAA26941; Tue, 19 May 1998 01:37:24 -0400
<BR> >Received: from hotmail.com (f80.hotmail.com [207.82.250.186])
<BR> > by bighorn.terra.net (8.8.6/jr3.9) with SMTP for
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
<BR> > id BAA26932; Tue, 19 May 1998 01:37:24 -0400
<BR> >Received: (qmail 9475 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 1998 05:36:52
-0000
<BR> >Message-ID: <19980519053652.9474.qmail@ho*.co*>
<BR> >Received: from 38.222.189.99 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
<BR> > Mon, 18 May 1998 22:36:52 PDT
<BR> >X-Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
<BR> >From: "Georgina Irvine" <kategmiv@ho*.co*>
<BR> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
<BR> >Subject: RE: Pre-dive briefing....Derrick tells students its
everyman
<BR> > for
<BR> >Content-Type: text/plain
<BR> >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:36:52 PDT
<BR> >X-UIDL: b5fd157a5cbc1158584891d2b3753ccf
<BR> >
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1998 15:30:45 -0400
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19 May 1998 12:30:32 -0700
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<BR> X-Sender: kevin@pr*.ne*
<BR> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32)
<BR> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:31:09 -0700
<BR> To: "Dan Volker" <dlv@ga*.ne*>
<BR> From: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
<BR> Subject: Re: Originating-IP: [38.222.189.99]
<BR> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, abuse@ps*.ne*
<BR> In-Reply-To: <199805191512.LAA74210@on*.ga*.ne*>
<BR> Mime-Version: 1.0
<BR> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<P>--
<BR>Wrolf
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HREF="http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf">http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf</A>
<BR>Wrolf's Net.Wreck: <A
HREF="http://www.concentric.net/~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml">http://www.concentric.net/
~Wrolf/netmgmt.shtml</A>
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