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You wrote: On the other hand, as divers, one of the first things >we learn as students is not to do dives beyond our >capability. We have only heard one side of the story >and know matter how bad it sounds there is still >another side that needs to be heard before judgment >is passed. > It seems as though there were two people that >had and made wrong choices in this unfortunate death. A girl is dead >and nothing can change that but we can learn from the mistakes made >here, both as instructors and divers. So James are yo saying a STUDENT must do the research themselves even though they are unknowledgeable on a subject so that they can tell their tri-mix instructor when the tri-mix instructor is taking them on an unsafe dive? Shoudl a student forewarn an instructor, please come rescue me if I pass out during the dive because of the convulent stuff you put on me????????? Now That is a new Standard indeed. susan. > > > > > > > > >---Jeff Bentley wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> So you are saying that even though your agency has "tough rules >> and standards" the potential for a stroke to slip through is still >> present and that the IANTD brand on an instructor does not necessarily >> mean that he/she is worth their weight in salt? >> >> I totally agree if this is the case. >> >> Choosing an instructor should be based on word of mouth. Not by >picking >> up an agencies directory and seeing who is closest to you. >> >> regards, >> Jeff >> >> >> >> Tom Mount wrote: >> > >> > To George >> > First of all IANTD has not made any statements about WKPP in any >medium. To >> > my knowledge there is no Rivalry between IANTD and WKPP, why would >there be >> > we are a training agency WKPP is an exploration team? >> > >> > Derrick apparently has said something about you or WKPP that is >based on his >> > opinion. Derrick has a right to his opinion, and based on comments >about him >> > by George and others I imagines he feels he has a good reason for >speaking >> > out but he is not a spokesman for IANTD. >> > >> > Now as you know I do not have the liberty of discussing this >accident on a >> > public forum. >> > >> > I will explain that IANTD does have stringent standards to become an >> > instructor at any level. For those of you wishing to check these >standards >> > you may do so at the IANTD web site >> > >> > http//www.IANTD.com >> > >> > The same standards spell out the requirements for various diver >levels; >> > quite often these courses are taught as combination programs as >allowed in >> > the standards provided the diver has met all the qualifications. >> > If you compare these standards from basic OW to Trimix diver you >will >> > discover they are about the most demanding and rigid standards to >be found. >> > >> > I and IANTD have spent countless hours developing programs to make >diving >> > safer. These programs are always evolving and developing. Our total >> > concentration is on dive safety and the standards we have do >reflect that. >> > >> > IANTD also has a quality control program. Within this program >there are >> > mechanisms for dealing with standards violations, ethics >violations and >> > accidents. Most of these are an automatic response and in the >event of >> > diving accidents begin with a stated procedure from the IANTD QA >manual and >> > a comprehensive investigation. >> > This includes obtaining all information pertinent to the accident, >> > statements from >> > Students >> > Other divers on the dive >> > A QA form being sent to all former students of the instructor. >> > Determinations by the ME, >> > Reports form the recovery team, >> > Reports from the diving vessel >> > Review of the training program conducted to the date of the >accident, >> > Statements from other sources who are aware of the diving >instructor and >> > his/her practices >> > Statements from others who are familiar with the capabilities of >the >> > accident victim >> > >> > These include people who have dived with or observed the >instructor and >> > student during training. >> > >> > Once all this information is compiled the data is sent to a QA board >> > consisting of members of the IANTD international BOA. Most of >these people >> > will not even know a given instructor and will be totally >impartial in >> > reviewing all of the data. >> > >> > Based on their(BOA) determinations one of the following will take >place. >> > These actions are for the overall protection of the instructor; >the public >> > and IANTD while ensuring fair and just due process will evolve: >> > >> > First immediate step: Limited teaching status (the instructor is >allowed to >> > teach with another instructor while under investigation). >> > Events following an investigation >> > >> > 1. If it is found that the instructor is not at fault in the >accident in any >> > way whatsoever then the limited teaching status will be removed >and the >> > instructor will go back on normal teaching status. >> > Note! Most agencies simply send out a letter to the instructor >informing >> > them that the accident is under investigation and take no >additional action >> > at that time. Again IANTD has a more stringent program >> > >> > 2. If the BOA determines that the events are questionable but not >directly >> > controllable or preventable by the instructor The instructor will >be placed >> > on provisional or restricted statues and the BOA will spell out >specific >> > procedures to be adhered to in order to be reinstated to normal >teaching >> > status. >> > >> > 3. If the BOA finds that the instructor did not act responsibility >the >> > instructor may be suspended with the ability to request an appeal >to the >> > BOA. A suspended instructor may or may not be given a provision for >> > reinstatement following one year of suspension again as determined >by the >> > BOA based on its finding of all the facts. >> > >> > 4. The BOA may find cause for expulsion from instructor and >membership >> > status within IANTD >> > >> > This is all I can comment on and it is the procedures IANTD >follows in this >> > type of event as spelled out in our QA manual. >> > >> > At least all of you now know the actions IANTD takes when there is >an >> > accident . These procedures were developed by numerous members of >IANTD >> > internationally and within the legal constraints recommended by >our counsel. >> > Again we believe they are stricter than other agencies in >recreational and >> > technical diving and at the same time that they will provide a >more factual >> > review of an accident, possible means of preventing future >accidents and >> > will be fair to all parties involved. >> > >> > The decision to do any of the above will be that of due process by >impartial >> > peers. >> > Tom >> > >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Bentley jbentley@cr*.co* http://www.crl.com/~jbentley >> -- >> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >`techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >`techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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