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Tom, it makes no difference what caused her to black out - her "instructor" let her die. Fire him. Mimms badly needs a wakeup call as well - he just does not get it. Separately: 1) unmarked tanks. 2) dive link. 3) bondage wings - would not hold gas against the bondage and the inflator was pushing gas out the deflate valve . "Instructor" obviously does not understand much about gear to let her dive like this. 4) Gear a complete cluster other than the backup reg ( hung properly around the neck). 5) Dry suit - seemed ok and functioning ( as a straight jacket) . New suit, new drysuuit diver, new "tech diver" first trimix dive, took the preceeding classes last week, etc . Both stage bottles ( unmarked )had gas and were turned on. Both back tanks were empty , full of water, and turned on - probably freeflowed after she dropped.They had an analysis sticker from a previous dive ( apparently, I would assume ) , since that gas would have been impossibly narcotic at 275 (30% nitrox ) ((Tom, fire this guy)) . The regs had come loose anyway. She had the inflator in her hand over her head as if she was dumping gas. She had a little laminated dive table in her right hand still, and was looking at it with her crab eaten eyes. Her mask was lying in the sand touching her head, like it had fallen of when she hit, and a com link head gear was there with it. I attached this stuff to the manifold with a line and double ender. There was a reg lying in the sand next to her head with no com link on it ( the stuffed long hose ) (( a new level of convolution in stuffery , by the way )). The two deco bottles had the com link on them. She looked like a manequin or a mime frozen in action, not like a tox, although with the lack of bottle markings this could easily be this "instructor"'s next death excuse if you do not fire his stupid ass today. I saw the same crap in Palm beach - these guys need the ax as well, but then they are going to get it anyway. She was only in 260 feet of water. The story about the vis is bullshit - it always looks dark from above until you are at the bottom. They all could easily have dropped down her bubbles and picked her up, and taken her to the surface, and this would be a different ending. It takes no more than 400 psi to do that . I did the dive twice yesterday, so I know, and trust me when I tell you that I was trippling my breathing rate when I had to deal with this horrifying site, and I pumped a ton of gas into her bc before I realized I was dealing with bondage wings.The doive take littel gas. Volker and I used to spearfish that place with a single tank swimming years ago - some big cobia are usually there. She appeared to black out and drop - just like they all said, only they did not deal with it properly, and the "instructor" lost his student. Who cares why she blacked out, whether it be from a blow to the head, co2 from the bullshit com link, oxtox ( I doubt that one ) or just the stress of dealing with bullhsit , non-functioning, stroke gear - the fact is she did, and the fact they sat back and watched, and then were too scared to dive back down and get her. I am 47 and I did it twice back to back for a DEAD BODY - these wenies in their twenties would not do it for a live body. Even Andre Smith apparently tried to save his student. Now if you can prevail upon them to tell me wher they dropped those guys, I can find the other two in 15 minutes as well. We scootered 15 minutes at about 175 per minute until we found her, running a zig-zag against Robert's straight 240 over the break. She was in 260, on the sand inshore and south of the bow of the RBJ ( there is a deep spot there south of the wreck. I could see the anchor chain and bow as we started to move her North with the current. Worked on getting her secured for four minutes, left the freediving float on her, put a lift bag on her, secured the fallen gear with line and double enders ( we could not lift her due to the water in her tanks )ran up that line, decoed out in 25, ran back to the site and dove again with Volker this time - you need to ask him what he saw, too, secured her with a rope, surfaced after a three minute safety stop, told the cops I had her, went back for quick five minute deco, and got out to help. You need to know that during the time I was topside preparing to dive again, she drifted into the RBJ rubble on the port side, where the Cory 'n Chris sticks out from underneath, and was head first in that pile of metal, so may have hit her head there. The ME will be able to tell if that blow was pre death or post mortem. She looked fine to me other than the crabs eating her when I found her, and the litle bugs and so forth. I dragged her away from the wreck again into the claer sand wehre I do nto think hter is any rubble to the north, but there is an engine blcok on teh ground up there someplace, and a big metal box. I was hoping to get up before the ball came real tight, which it did when I was at about 150 feet. When I lift bagged her , blood cam out of her mouth. The dry suit was inflated for 30 feet, and so was like a straight jacket at 260 - this is why she held her pose. If you squeeze those muscles in the fore arm with the tendons, it contracts the hands, or in this case kept them tight in their last action. Tom, boot the idiots and start doing things the way we do - people expect that from you and your organization. We are all going to be knocked out of the game otherwise. This is not about winning lawuits in court, this is about not having accidents in the first place. You need to take your stroke advisors, and tell them that we are talking about human beings here, not names on release forms, and sooner or later that will prevail - trust me on that one. I can not get over the attitudes on these strokes - they kill somebody and they want to make excuses. They need to reach down between their legs and find out what the answer is - that is the real excuse - nothing but battleship mouths with nothing in the engine room - no guts, no intestinal fortitude, no integrity, no pride, no BALLS. Fire them before they finish you off financially. Obviously, WE are not going to let any of these idiots anywhere near us. Tom, my opinion of what caused the accident is simple : Breach of Rule Number One. Which bullet killed her in this driveby shooting is for the doctors to decide and argue over. My answer remains the same : DO NOT DIVE WITH STROKES. Tom Mount wrote: > > George > > First of all I cannot discuss this with you in any detail beyond what is > requested below, Robert George may not understand this but I'm sure you do. > > Second we have already started checking the training background of Jane > > Third we have already asked for statements from Jim Mims and from Derrick > McNaulty and Derricks training records on Jane > > Fourth I need a report from you and Robert on the recovery leaving out the > the opinions and > > Fifth I would like a separate document stating your opinions on the cause of > the accident > > All this is going into a review file , so think out your statements > > Tom Mount > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Irvine <kirvine@sa*.ne*> > To: RMC <halcyon@ha*.ne*> > Cc: Tom Mount <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*> > Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: New Requirements > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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