> From:          "Tom Mount" <TOM.MOUNT@wo*.at*.ne*>

> Ken
> This still does not state a high protein diet is bad in a quantitative sense
> and they are not . do you want me to start listing papers for real, I will
> do it , I do not have the time (I do have to work) to write down the
> quothehes but I will certainly be glad to list papers. As you are referring
> to liver problems and kidney problems start with
> from the Lilly lecture 1987 The Triumvirate : B-cell Muscle liver, A
> collision  Responsible for NIDDM
> 
> This can get hectic but if you want to we will get everyone informed on all
> the good from me and bad from you about protein. By the way on your post to
> Dan I see you are on a 50% protein diet, you must have some belief in the
> benefit of protein. That is more protein than either the Power Protein plan
> or the zone diets call for
> Tom

Yes, let's get everyone informed.

I've never said protein in itself is bad. I have said ketogenic based 
protein diets (those which throw your body into a state of ketosis) 
are bad, and excessive amounts of protein are harmful.  

I don't want people reading stuff on the internet and saying, "Well 
if Tom Mount and company feel that protein is important, I better 
make sure to eat extra eggs and bacon at breakfast to get all the 
protein I possibly can!". I believe a properly informed person can 
draw their own conclusions, so I do not believe in hiding the bad in 
any situation. 

BTW, did I mention to you that I'm deriving most of my protein from 
vegatable matter? You'd be surprised the amount of different ways you 
can cook beans (Dan, is this where your "stinky vegans" quote came 
from?? ;-) or tofu, but protein is what I am looking for, not 
saturated fats and heavy triglycerides which can be found in too much 
animal protein (for the record I'm not a vegan). Sushi is a really 
lean source too, but you need to get past the worms.

The bottom line on diet is for the average sedate person they need a 
well balanced diet and to get off their butt. Seeing a dietician 
wouldn't hurt for the truly extreme cases either.

Oh yeah, I got thrown out of the gym again yesterday after 5.25 miles 
on the treadmill.. I suppose if they fixed the 5 broken ones they'd 
probably not complain about my hogging one for 45 minutes at a crack.
 
Ken
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