Ken Sallot wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Just throwing my $0.02 in here..
>
> You wrote:
>
> > 3. All calories are not equal. Those wishing to lose weight
> > frequently go into extreme low fat high carb diets. Protein around
> > 15%. Guess what since this type diet has become popular we have
> > developed far more fat people in the USA especially. To fatten a pig
> > a diet of 61% carbs, 29% fat and 10% protein is recommended by the
> > USDA. So how can someone hope not to gain weight if they follow a
> > similar diet.
>
> Not all carbohydrates are made the same, just like fats, etc. The
> complex carbo's (such as potatoes) are really the major ones to
> limit/avoid if you can help it. The complex carbohydrates are the
> major culprit behind that "nappy feeling" people get after some large
> meals. They are also especially bad as for bumping your blood sugar
> levels (which really causes the insulin to make you sleeeeeeppppy).

<snip>

> You then write:
>
> > 4. We should eat carbs, no doubt about that. However as far as
> > living is concerned a person can live with out any carbs in their
> > diet, You cannot live without fat, and you cannot live without
> > protein. Your body has the ability to convert fat or protein to
> > glucose.
>
> Yes, this is true. Your body can sustain itself on protein and fats
> alone. As a matter of fact, several diets (such as "the Zone" or
> "Atkins") take advantage of this. Your body after being on heavy
> proteins and minimal to no-carbs goes into a ketogenic state. The
> most noticeable effect of this is an immediate loss of 8-14lbs of
> "water weight" within the first two weeks. Yes, for a short period of
> time your body will become a "fat burning machine", but as soon as
> you step off of that ketogenic diet you start putting the weight back
> on. Another, very important and crucial fact you omitted, is staying
> on a super protein/fat diet for a long period of time can do
> perminant kidney damage. That's one of the reasons why people on
> ketogenic diets are advised to drink at least 1-2 gallons of water
> daily.
>
> I think JJ mentioned Arnold Schwarznegger and the fact that he is on
> kidney dialysis. This is undoubtably a result of years of abuse
> (steroids) and high protein diets.

>

Please inform me of some sources for these kidney damage risk. I am on a
ketogenic
(it works great and more thanjust water wieght the first two weeks) so I would
like to see some published arguments against it.

All references in the Zone and Atkins say nothing about permanent kidney damage.

Please also explain how a potato is a complex carb, and thus bad, while a the
other foods you mentioned, like bell pepper, are good. Aren't these also complex
carbs? I think its the glycemic index that is important. Chanal Dal, a bean, is
certainly a complex carb, but has the lowest glycemic index of any carb ever
tested.Tom Easop

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