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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889497967_boundary Content-ID: <0_889497967@in*.ma*.ao*.co*.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 98-03-09 03:46:41 EST, mailer-daemon@ma*.co* writes: << Scaleworks@ao*.co*, johntodd1@ju*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* >> --part0_889497967_boundary Content-ID: <0_889497967@in*.ma*.ao*.co*.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <mailer-daemon@ma*.co*> Received: from relay21.mail.aol.com (relay21.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.67]) by air27.mail.aol.com (v40.7) with SMTP; Mon, 09 Mar 1998 03:46:41 -0500 Received: from excite (excite.whowhere.com [209.1.236.13]) by relay21.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id DAA23509 for <CAPTZEROOO@ao*.co*>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 03:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailexcite.com id <20479-358>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:39:14 -0800 From: "Mailer Daemon" <mailer-daemon@ma*.co*> Message-ID: <IEEGBKGDGJFCAAAA@ma*.co*> To: "CAPTZEROOO" <CAPTZEROOO@ao*.co*> Subject: Returned mail: Quota exceeded for user sump Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 00:39:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This email has been returned to you because your friend has reached the quota limit which has been allocated for his e-mail account. 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The original message is attached below. -------------------- Received: from zen.kr.com ([204.96.46.12]) by mailexcite.com; Mon Mar 9 00:39:03 1998 Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by zen.kr.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA10278 for <cavers@ww*.ge*.co*>; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from CAPTZEROOO@ao*.co* by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id NJMUa26839; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:58:54 -0500 (EST) From: CAPTZEROOO <CAPTZEROOO@ao*.co*> Message-ID: <3f7d92e6.3503a140@ao*.co*> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:58:54 EST To: Scaleworks@ao*.co*, johntodd1@ju*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com Cc: cavers@ww*.ge*.co* Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fat Slobbery, NE Stupidity, and Skippy the Punk Gannon Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Well now we have a real helpfull fellow. Why is it that being fat is makes you a slob. Not so !!! I am merely fat & as Dan pointed out I can diet. But you Johntodd are truly ugly. The kind of ugly that starts on the inside & comes oozing thru your pores. Unfortunatly it clouds your thinking .You like others are spouting out crap with out a clue. The shallowest portion of the doria is Approx. 160 Ft. It reaches down to 240' as the boat swings at anchor, you will find spots almost 300' deep next to it These are called wash outs. You can verify this with Billy Deans. Most diving on the wreck takes place at about 200 - 220 Ft. Most of my personal diving on this wreck was done using air with O2 on the hang. 30 min on the first dive, 25 on the second. sometimes a night dive was done for 25 Min. Last year I had a chance to dive it on gas 17/33 I was able to get a 45 & 35 Min. dive in one day. Using Nitrox & O2 for accelersted Deco.The technologie has come a long way. I cut my tables using DRx & Mig plan. While the Doria is home to 6 Knot currents we rarely dive in more than 2 Knt. it is too hard to hang otherwise. in the 170 Ft. range I usually dive air using 60% & O2 for accelerated Deco The limiting facor for the length of my dives is not gas supply but boardem. After 40 - 60 minutes I get the yen for a rootbeer & a yodle, so I need to come up. This usually gives me a boittom time of 45 min for the first dive. 35 for the second. Now you have the facts, no stories just the facts. You can verifiy these facts with several people on the list. You can also see a picture of me & the John Jack at <A HREF="http://www.wahoo2001.com/edba-1.htm">EDBA 98 page 1</A> Now back to Kevin (skippy.) Dan has put forth some rather surprising claims, stating that fat guys (with poor VO2 Max) would get bent like pretzels on his deco schedules. He stated that fat guys would need 4 -5 hours to secompress while a fit guy needs 1. Further he put forth that this was because of his superb conditioning and tremendous VO2max. While we all agree it is best to be in shape for diving, VO2 Max is not necessarilly a reliable way to predict decompression abbility. (it is a fine way to predict the amount of work load a person can sustain ( which by the way is what it is intended to measure not offgassing of inert gas) but not necessarily offgassing ability). Dan also put forth the Idea that the Unfit diver should not be allowed to tech dive & sugested using VO2 Max as the measuring stick. Who is he to decide who is fit or not fit to dive ?? It is a personal choice. If your choice gets you killed ?? So be it. With all this putting forth, Dan offered up not one iota of proof, though he did call for extensive chamber testing. But he is still insistent that VO2 Max is the only true measure of ones fitness to dive & physical ability to on load & off load inert gases All with no proof. and then to suggest that unfit individuals not be allowed to tech dive. Why, because Dan belives that if you are too lazy to exersize then you shouldn't be allowed to dive. Kevin asks him for proof & suggests that the theory be tested before it is circulated as gospel, & you jump on his shit. & throw in a bunch of lies about me to boot. These acts do not lend credibilty or weight to your cause. They show you up as the ugly unthinking person you are. At least Dan trully belives in his ideas. You just use them as a vehicle to launch your uglyness. Our choice of gear is diffrent from yours. We do not Cave dive. We no little or nothing about it. We would not even pretend to know. But you guys in the caves are gods so you think you know everthing about N.E. wreck diviong gear. And you haven't even been here !! how amazing. Keven asked for test results about the bondage wings Since you have none, you reort to insults & buu crap. You are like the little old man in the booth playing the wizard of OZ. The Wkpp Cave diving team has a remarkable record. what is most amazing is that they can do it with the likes of you. There is no list I have seen that lists people that died because of Bondage wings (or other BCs). People who died while using then yes, Because of them no. Almost all the dead divers were found to be using a mask. Does this mean they died because they used a mask & all dive masks are Stroke gear ??? of course not,. Deaths are unfortunate, but not to be used for your gain. 1. Get the facts straight before you insult someone. 2. Have proof BEFORE you put forth ridiculus ideas as fact. 3. If you are going to put forth such crap have the balls to come dive to defend it. I put my money & my body up & offered Dan a trip. I don't see him coming yet. Captain Zero (a fat man) --part0_889497967_boundary-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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