It is unfortunate that I and others have used language about heavily
overweight people, which they find personally insulting.  I will say, I did
not start out this thread with an attempt to insult all the heavy people on
the list.

 In the process of creating anologies, and demonstrating an idea, it become
much easier to use "classic" descriptions for extremely heavy people, as
quicker to write, easier to fit in a sentencce, easier to understand by the
people reading the post.

I'll attempt to take more care in my future descriptions in this thread. I
do not want to do "injury" to any of the overweight people on this
list----what I would most like to do, is to get them to attain a higher
level of fitness, and therefore safety,  before attempting 250 or 300 foot
deep dives, of any signifcant duration.  I have been concentrating on the
conceptual understanding of why a problem exists so far, and NOT on the
psychological issue of making the fitness issue palatable.  Please take this
as an apology.
Regards,
Dan



>Dan,
>
>You seem to deal in absolutes when it comes to fitness and overweight
>conditions in a diver. Black and white, either you are, or you aren't. This
is
>not actually based on fact, but your own experience. History is written the
>same way. We will never know what actually happened in the past, because it
>was recorded by humans, hence we can only know what happened by how that
>particular individual perceived the event, the reason for todays heated
>debates over what is actually fact.
>
>Does fat=slob as you propose?
>
>Does fat in fact = poorly conditioned for diving? I would love to see you
>prove that. I am 6'1" 210 lbs, and know divers far shorter and heavier than
me
>that are easily as fit, or more fit. I don't believe you can show any
research
>that directly correlates body fat as it relates to level of fitness.
>
>An overweight person should run a more conservative deco program, is there
a
>problem with that? Does this mean he should not dive?
>
>Where are your facts? I find quite a few accusations and attacks being made
on
>this forum, not being supported by fact. Looking at it historically, this
is
>my perception.
>
>Propoganda has been and will be used used again many times in history by
>groups trying to control and subvert the masses to their way of thinking,
or
>to have them subscribe to their agenda. This has always been done by
telling
>half truths and falsehoods about the competition. I believe that certain
>groups or individuals on this forum do exactly this, and have orchestrated
it
>well in advance to putting it into motion. I believe all the manufacturer
>bashing and agency bashing has been done and continues to be done to
support
>the underlying agenda of moving a new manufacturer and new certification
>agency to the forefront of the tec community. Can anyone guess who this new
>agency and manufacturer are? I thought you could.
>
>It's a pity a group cannot market their product and ideas based on it's
>laurels, quality, and innovation, and at the same time, show some respect
for
>the competition, and the individual. If you do not agree with training
>techniques, or gear design, spend your energy educating the consumer about
>your way, and why it is better, not trashing everyone that stands in your
way.
>On the list of reasons the group perished in WPB was that the diver was
>wearing OMS bondage wings, how absurd, I have still not heard a valid
reason
>why there are claims that they will not fully inflate at depth, and I am
still
>waiting. This is just a small example of the propoganda program in place
>against all who stand in the way of their domination. Money and power make
>people do strange things.
>
>Thank God we have our own minds, and the gift to think for ourselves.
>
>Kevin Gannon
>
>

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