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Subject: Re: Tragic technicaldiving
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:19:49 -0800
From: Jammer Six <jammer@oz*.ne*>
To: "techdiver" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Jammer,
>For someone who claims to have gone to college, you don't read very well.
>I at NO TIME was talking about changing laws. I do NOT want any new laws
>passed.  I do NOT want to force anybody to tech dive like WKPP does, or
>anyone else. I have made this Crystal Clear to everyone but you.
>I want at least one or two really high end agencies, with stricter
>guidelines.  I was hoping that IANTD would step up to the plate, and make
>some innovations in diver fitness standards, and it looks like they are
>interested in doing this. I think that's great.  I have no idea how this can
>possibly offend you so much....

Then let me try to show you where our communication broke down.

You posted this paragraph a couple posts back:

>OK, lets say you do believe this. Do you think their right to dive should
>exclude them from taking training classes and passing skills tests??? Do you
>think they should just be mailed a tech card, because its their right???
>Probably, you will agree that each of these new potential tech divers should
>have to go throught the academic portion, and skills portion, of tech
>training.  Should we insist that they can swim across the pool???Or is this
>an invasion of their rights???Oh, maybe we do need to know they can swim a
>certain distance, and we must also know that they are not epileptic or must
>not have some other extreme medical contraindication

The word "right" and the word "rights" is what drew my attention.

Does your grandmother have a right to dive? Absolutely. The paragraph 
above seems to be leading towards the conclusion that that right is 
somehow contingent on the qualifications you have been discussing, while 
advocating that those qualifications be made stricter.

As long as you are speaking about a private agency, that issues 
yet-another-C-card, we have no disagreement.

My objections are soley with the word "rights", and the implications that 
spring from it. The only way to change rights is by changing law, and 
that's where I went.

After carefully re-reading your posts, I believe we are in agreement, Dan.

Speaking as a diver, as long as there is a way for everyone, even 
Gilliam, to execute technical dives, I won't have a problem with it. I 
will laugh at them with you, but I will fight you to prevent actually 
stopping any of them from diving.

Speaking as a business owner, there's no way in hell I'd invest in a high 
end tech agency geared the way you are describing, because such an 
enterprise would be doomed before the charter was dry, but that's another 
discussion.

I don't really wish to pursue that discussion, because I *DO* see the 
need for such an agency, and don't wish to throw cold water on anyone 
brave enough to attempt forming one.

I think we're in agreement, Dan, if you're talking about improving the 
quality of education, as opposed to individual rights.

By the way, isn't JJ forming an agency with just these aims?

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"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you
want to live forever?"
     -First Sergeant Dan Daly, 1918
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