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If you"re considering the long hose and gas for your buddy, why not put the long hose on a large pony or sling bottle 30cuft or larger . Take that bottle along and hand it off to him if slung or give him the hose if you mount it. Ed Clayton -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Drapp <andrew@ce*.co*.jp*> To: Drew Mooney <dmooney@cy*.ne*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 6:20 AM Subject: Re: Independent doubles and the long hose > >> Another of my points is that when you dive independants, you complicate the >> long hose thing. How do you determine which tank gets the short hose? > >I was putting the long hose on the right hand post. That just made the >hose routing a little simplier. I don't see much of a practical >difference on which post it goes on. I am assuming that when I need to >donate air, it is my buddy that has had the problem, and not myself. > >> So what if you're on a dive and you lose >> all the air out of one tank, and wonder of wonders, a buddy has the same >> thing happen to his entire supply? Buddy breathe? > >So, tell me, what do you do if your buddy has a manifold failure, and >loses all of his gas, and you have a reg failure and lose a post (the one >with the long hose)? The exact same situation. You defined a problem >with 3, count them THREE, catastrophic failures, and ask me how I deal >with that? Talk about boogie man. But, since you asked, I would just >buddy breath off of the short hose. > >> Do you solo dive with your independants? Then a long hose becomes a moot >> point. But I suspect that you don't and that it's not. > >Sometimes. Not that often. Mostly with a buddy. > >> Please explain your situation. > >I assume you mean about why I am using independents? I really didn't want >to get into it, but since you asked, here it is. > >I live in Japan. Here, due to different regulations, owning tanks is >prehibitively expensive. An AL80 will run around $500US. Larger steel >tanks are more. Manifolds also cary a premium, and would require getting >certified by the government since they would have to be imported. I >estimate the cost for a set of manifold doubles at around $2000US. The >typical format is to rent tanks at dive sites. Becase of this, airfills >are largely nonexistant. Also, due to past corruption and strong ties to >the Japanese mob, the fishing union actually controls the oceans in >Japanese waters. To be able to dive, you have to get permission from the >fishing unions. "Diving services" have been setup, which got permission >from the unions, and you pay the diving service for the right to dive >there. They give a cut to the fishing unions. To keep people from just >showing up and diving, most places require that you dive with their tanks. >So, if I did actually shell out the $2KUS for the manifold doubles, I >wouldn't be able to use them at most dive sights near me. Furthermore, I >get to the dive sites I vist by train or by motorcycle. I am not too >interested in carying all that gear on the train, and am physically unable >to do so on my motorcycle, so I would have to mail the stuff to the diving >service, use it and mail it back, at an additional cost of $50-$100. > >So, as you can see, like I origionaly said, diving manifold doubles is not >an option with me. > >Now, back to my point, what to do with the long hose after switching away >from it. I have gotten several posts privetly and the answers are >sumerized as follows: > >1. Just use two short hoses. (most common responce) >2. Put the long hose in the necklace, and clip off the short hose. I was >doing the opposite. Interesting idea, and something I will try on the >next dive. >3. Use one back tank, and sling the other tank. >4. Carry three seconds. Stuff the long hose second, and use the two >short hose seconds. > >Personally I like the first two better for ease of use. The 3rd option >seems nice, but kinda annoying during the dive. Option 4 doesn't seem >like too good of an idea, which the origional sugester also thought was a >bad idea. > >Andrew Drapp > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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