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From: "roger steele" <rogersteele@ho*.co*>
To: mr_clark3@ju*.co*, cavers@ww*.ge*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Cc: Tek_Dive@co*.co*
Subject: Re: New World Order??
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:58:32 CST
Hey John, you are hilarious!!!!!!  You are calling me a neophye? Lets 
hear about your dive experience.  I have presented my dive log for all 
to see.  Well,  I want to see yours.  What ever you do, keep on goose 
stepping!!!!!!!  

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>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:23:54 -0500
>Subject: Re: New World Order??
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>From: mr_clark3@ju*.co* (John Clark)
>
>
>On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:26:30 -0500 madblue@ma*.va*.ne* (Mike Bruic)
>writes:
>
>>  Is it true you recently got your Introduction to Cave Diving Cert? 
>Well, I guess 
>>that makes you the expert.  I guess those of us who have been full 
cave 
>>diving for the past 15-20 years have just had it all wrong.  We are 
sure
>
>>'nough lucky to have  a man of your expertise among us.  
>
>      Mike,  if I were to go get my "full cave" certification, why in 
the
>world would I want to go to a dumb red neck ( like you ) to do that? Is
>there some special ability that you people have, or think you have, 
that
>we need to know about? Nearly every one of you that I have come into
>contact with seems to fit the following description : fat and dumb. 
Many
>of you are so out of shape that I would not dive with you no matter how
>many years of experience you have. Many smoke cigarettes ( like you 
do),
>and my suspicion is that many  are drunks ( based on the physical
>appearance and the condition of the pickup trucks ), and or pot-smokers 
(
>this is against the law, whether you like it or not).
>
>      Mike, if I then wanted to go for trimix or other more advanced
>diving courses, I sure would not go to a red neck. If I then wanted to
>get training in advanced diving techniques, I would go to advanced 
divers
>who practice these techniques. While we are on that subject, I notice
>that you and your paisans spend full time badmouthing the only guys who
>do any real diving. Why is that? Like you say, I am no expert, but it
>would seem to me that it makes more sense to go with the winners , not
>the obvious losers.
>
>      Mike, fat, drunken, pot-smoking, cigarette-smoking, out of shape
>dumb red necks are not my idea of winners. Throw in convicted felon and
>flaming asshole, as Cobb points out about you, and it is clear that one
>does not need more than an "intro to reality recognition" certification
>to know who and what to avoid , and you seem to be Exhibit A.
>
>  
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