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From: "David Shimell (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
To: "'techdiver@aquanaut.com'" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Apeks Regs
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 15:57:00 GMT

This is a resend as I've had email problems...

Danilo

I hope you don't mind me forwarding my reply to the list as it may be of   
    

interest to others.

>I'll be in the UK in a couple of weeks and I'm thinking
>seriously in the
>version you appointed. Could you please forward me more details?

Apeks are a UK company.  Their telephone number is:

Work +44 1254 692200

The usual Apeks valves list at around 255 UKP and these are excellent,
Zeagle badge them in the USA.  I have their catalogue in front of me.

FIRST STAGES

They run an Interstage pressure of 9.5 ( 0.5 bar.

The usual first stage you will see is the DST which is dry sealed and
swivel turreted.  It has 4 LP ports and one 2 HP ports.  One of the LP
ports is over sized for an oversized hose.  This is NOT needed and
included only for marketing reasons (idiots think they are better).  It   
    

means that you have to use an adapter or buy a special hose.  They have   
    

recently introduced the TX100 first stage which looks really sexy - but I   
    

would like to check the hose routing with a set of doubles.  As 2 of the   
    

LP ports are very much pointing directly down - this would be superb on   
    

the long hose but could cause a problem with the backup and HP hose - too   
    

much of a bend routing over the wing.  I am not saying it *is* a problem,   
    

only that I would want to check this out.

Their first stages are available in DIN and A-Clamp.  Obviously DIN is
the only sane option.

I dive cold (3 deg C) water in the winter months and previously used
Oceanic balanced diaphragm first stages i.e. not environmentally sealed.   
    

 I never had a first stage free flow - I am not saying that these do not   
    

happen but that I am comfortable with my ability to deal with it and that   
    

the likelihood is low.  Looking at other divers and my experience, it
always seems to be the second stage that freeflows. I took the decision   
    

that I do not need an environmentally sealed first stage - this increases   
    

the bulk, cost and maintenance cost of the first stage - minor points.

I did not want turrets as these have additional O-Rings that could fail.   
    

 I also did not want an oversized LP port.  This left me with the US4
Apeks reg. which has 4 LP ports (standard size) and one HP port.  This is   
    

compact and cheap (price was not an issue).  The only problem with this   
    

first stage is in the positioning of the HP hose on the backup reg.  With   
    

my setup of twin 12 Litre cylinders and Dive Rite original Wing, the HP   
    

port is very close to the top of the wing and the HP hose has to be bent   
    

over the wing or the reg. twisted slightly to the outside (i.e. off
horizontal) to give a better hose routing.  This is a *very minor point*   
    

but I mention it if only to find something to complain about with these   
    

regs as they as otherwise superb.

SECOND STAGE

There is the TX50, TX40 and TX20.  Forget the TX20.  The other two have   
    

venturi controls.  The TX50 has a breathing resistance adjustment knob to   
    

the left of the regulator.  "A friend of mine" owned a Dacor regulator
and had numerous problems with this adjuster if it was not serviced every   
    

9 months or so.  It used to weep air and this was annoying.  I spoke to a   
    

person that maintains regulators and one point he made was that when user   
    

adjusts the resistance knob, it is often not adjusted again for some
time.  In saltwater, salt crystals can build up around the O-Ring of the   
    

breathing resistance adjuster even if it is well washed (mine are).  When   
    

it is eventually re-adjusted, these crystals can break off and affect the   
    

performance of the O-Ring.  This seemed a plausible explanation of the
problem with my (oops "my friend's") Dacor.  It has to be said that the   
    

Apeks adjuster is really solid and well engineered but I decided that a   
    

properly adjusted (in the shop) regulator was the one for me.  So I
bought the TX40.

Naturally, I have to look cool so I bought it in Stealth Ninja Black and   
    

in O2 service.  Not the day glow yellow and green.

I have 4 Apeks regs: one 7' hose (primary), 1 standard hose (backup) and   
    

2 octopus length hose (stage bottles).  I paid around 130 UKP.  Note that   
    

this was nearly a year ago and I bought a whole pile of other kit (for
myself and others) at the time so was able to negotiate a very good deal   
    

so I am not suggesting that you or I would be able to get this price
today.  It is always best to buy your kit locally and develop a
relationship with your shop providing you have one that is sound.

>Do you really think it's better than the poseidon jetstream?

I have only breathed the a Jetstream at 30 m whilst my buddy and myself   
    

were practising buddy breathing so I can't really say how it performs.
 My buddy does not like the Jetstream and is planning to buy another
reg., probably Apeks (he has some already).  The main problem with
Poseidon's so he tells me, is that they need use and servicing regularly   
    

and are expensive to service. 70 UKP is not unrealistic.  Think about
this.  You could buy an Apeks for 130 UKP dive it a year.  Sell it for 60   
    

UKP and buy new again and this would be the same annual costs as
maintaining a Poseidon.  You also have a better reg.  However, I think
people who do proper cold water diving would argue that the Poseidon is   
    

more reliable in really cold water - I would defer to the Canadians and   
    

Scandaweegians on this matter.

PERFORMANCE

I have dived to 55 m on air with the Apeks and it breaths superbly.
 Before I get flamed this was before reset my air depth limit to a
shallower depth.  On Trimix I have breathed the reg. to 105 m and again   
    

it performed superbly.  At 90 m I realised that the venturi adjuster was   
    

on the worst setting but the reg. was breathing fine - the venturi really   
    

only makes a big difference if you are breathing heavy.  Obviously helium   
    

make a big difference to any regulator's performance but at with the
correct gases for the depth you are diving the Apeks is superb.


>If possible, may I have the directions of the shop you purchased
>it?

Runnymede Dive
Unit 11, Eversley Way
Thorpe Industrial Estate
Egham
Surrey
TW20 8RG
UK

+44 1784 436909

This is an excellent shop (Mixed Gas available) and I recommend it.
 Mention my name as the brownie points are always worth having :).

Directions are a bit complex.  Let me know where you will be staying in   
    

the UK and send me a fax number for next week and I'll see if I can get   
    

some directions to you on Monday.

David Shimell
Project Manager, Sequent Computer Systems Ltd, Weybridge, UK
Email: shimell@se*.co*
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