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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:20:25 +0000
To: "David Shimell (shimell)" <shimell@se*.co*>
Cc: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
From: John Thornton <john@jo*.de*.co*.uk*>
Subject: Re: Lift Bags vs. DSMBs
Dave
>
>I know it is common practice in the USA to use lift bags under which to   
>decompress.  This seems to me to be a poor option with all the inherent   
>problems that have been exposed by the recent tragic events.
>
Exactly my thoughts Dave

>A while back there was a thread on drift decompression diving but I   
>thought it may be worthwhile to mention the system the group that I dive   
>with use.  I'm not sure who invented this process but Nick Jewson was   
>instrumental and introduced me to it, so I do not wish to claim any   
>credit for myself.
Pete Smith used this system in 1980, he wrote it up for Diver mag in the
80`s, they rejected it as excessive and wouldn`t publish it.
>
>We use lift bags to lift artefacts and Delayed Surface Marker Buoys   
>(DSMBs) for decompression.  My lift bags are all yellow with the intent   
>of making the skipper's job of recognition easier although this has not   
>been universally adopted (yet).
Names written on them can help, and insistence on everyone putting their
own up and not sharing gives simple indication of numbers up. This would
allow a surface cover crew to act before anyone has surfaced and
possibly prevent a loss. We certainly had a death in Scapa which could
have been avoided with this sysem.
>
>Firstly due to the UK conditions, we usually do drift decompression   
>diving - typically about 60 minutes of deco.  This is under a DSMB that   
>is deployed from the wreck.  The DSMB has a small cylinder that will self   
>inflate the bag and is simple to deploy underwater.  The cylinder can be   
>recharged from an A-Clamp (yoke) pillar valve.  As it is self inflating,   
>there is no change to the diver's buoyancy whilst the gas is injected as   
>would be the case with a manual DSMB or lift bag. As a result I deploy   
>immediately on leaving the bottom i.e. on-the-fly whilst ascending.  The   
>bag is sealed with an OPV so there is no chance of the DSMB toppling over   
>and deflating.  The product is sold by Advanced Diving Products although   
>there are others on the market now.  Its is red in colour.
We now have a policy on board and I know that Al Wright is thinking
along the same lines that the first thing on long dives is to return to
a station on the shot line etc etc. The DSMB system is to be used as a
back up in case of non return to the shot.
>
>The reason the DSMB is deployed from the wreck is to ensure that the   
>current does not drift us a significant distance away from the wreck to   
>an area where the skipper may not be focusing his attention.  We carry a   
>reel with sufficient line to allow for deployment on the bottom.  There   
>is a section of about 12-15 metres of stronger rope at the SMB end to   
>take the strain of the longer duration of hang.  I also insert a length   
>of about 1 foot of bungee to further cushion any impact of wave action.   
> The line is *not* cut but tied top and bottom to the bungee.  However,   
>between the two knots the line is coiled around the bungee so that the it   
>can stretch (this is my only claim to fame on this system).  Doing it   
>this way, the bungee can be wound into the reel keeping the setup clean   
>and allowing deployment without snagging.
Also to prevent fatally deploying into the vessel from shallow water,
depth gives you time.
>
>In the event of a failure of the primary DSMB or reel we discard it and   
>switch to a secondary.  This is a small red DSMB which is self inflating   
>using a CO2 cartridge and sealed to stop gas escape.  Again sold by   
>Advanced Diving Products.  These are really small and easy to deploy but   
>require an additional reel.  Some people use smaller reels which means   
>that the secondary cannot always be deployed at great depth but at least   
>from about 50m (165').  We assume that there has been a buddy separation   
>hence the redundancy.
We tend to suggest the non ratchet type reel as they need three hands
for operation.
>
>Red DSMBs mean that the diver is decompressing normally.  However, we   
>also carry what I refer to as the signalling DSMB which is a day-glow   
>lime green.  This disgusting colour signals the boat that there is   
>something wrong and spare gas or a support diver can be dropped in this   
>event.  The signalling DSMB is attached to the primary or secondary line   
>an sent to the surface so that the boat sees a red and green SMB   
>together.
this is becoming standard.
>
>Our emergency bottles are pre-attached to 1" webbing and a float.  The   
>regulator is fitted so that the whole setup is ready to rock and roll in   
>the event of it being required.  We use steel safety bottles which   
>ensures that they sink.
If you all float on bags how many of these do you have?
>
>The main problem with the primary is that it is bulky - I carry mine in a   
>pouch on my waist section of my harness, pushed to the rear to ensure   
>minimal drag.  The other SMBs are not a problem due to their small size.   
> AP Valves sell a nice inexpensive DSMB that is manually inflated and   
>seals itself when inflated.  This is a cheap alternative but does not   
>have the advantage of simple deployment that does not affect the   
>buoyancy.
Because of the bulk a lot of guys still use an manually inflatable one.
>
John

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