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George,
Actually it isn't a typical "For a friend" post. I really don't dive
with OMS wings while a friend does. I won't mention my setup since it's
probably worse than his setup. I've got many expensive hobbies, diving
is only one. Planning to take a tri-mix class this winter. Looks like
it's finally time for a gear upgrade.
No reason to respond, I've already admitted some of my gear is "stroke"
gear.
Safe diving,
Art.
art.paltz@r2*.co*
Last Dive 1/10/98, Klondike Rocks (lobster dive),
NJ 75ft/65 min bottom time, 43 degrees F, 40% bottom mix.
-----Original Message-----
From: G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 5:23 PM
To: Paltz, Art
Cc: techdiver; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
Subject: Re: Added info re three missing in WPB
Art, this is a classic "for a friend post". The corect procedure
is to
not dive with anyone who is stupid enough to use the wrong gear.
This is
known as Rule Number One. Screw these personal preference
assholes - do
it right, and do it with people who do it right, only.
Paltz, Art wrote:
>
> I've got a question/suggestion. I don't dive with OMS wings
but a
> friend does. Since reading the list I've thought about
"what/if" he had
> a problem. Although I've never tested it, because he'd get
pissed, I've
> always thought if he had a lift problem I'd just cut the
bungee thinking
> it would allow more air to effortlessly enter the wings. If
this works
> then why didn't someone with loads of experience cut the cord?
I'd
> think this would be the easiest way to "solve" the bondage
problem if
> only in an emergency situation. Now if I were narc'd on
nitrogen then
> maybe I wouldn't think to cut the bungee. If this solution
won't work
> then sorry and please explain why. I've only seen these wings
and never
> used them.
>
> Thanks way in advance and hope it's helpful,
> Safe diving,
> Art.
> art.paltz@r2*.co*
> Last Dive 1/10/98, Klondike Rocks (lobster dive),
> NJ 75ft/65 min bottom time, 43 degrees F, 40% bottom
mix.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Irvine [SMTP:gmirvine@sa*.ne*]
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 9:25 AM
> To: w wittman
> Cc: techdiver; cavers@ww*.ge*.co*
> Subject: Re: Added info re three missing in WPB
>
> Wings with bungees are ridiculous- they will exert
pressure
> against the
> inflation, and cause the opv to dump well below what
the ambient
> pressure would. They are obviously going to present a
massively
> dangerous static lung load if you try to inflate them
manually.
>
> If you tie them too tight to start with, which many
of these
> dopes do
> because they think it is less "drag", they will not
give much
> lift.
> There have been other acidents associated with this,
so I
> believe they
> are now shipped out without the bungeess tied, so this
is done
> at the
> dive shop, or by the end user.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........
>
> The drag issue is realy FAS - the bungied surface
causes
> massive vortex
> shedding and increases drag, not to mention the
entangling
> capabilities
> of all of the bungee and other dangling stupidity
associtated
> with these
> wet dream wings. If you have to add volume to get
lift, it will
> be the
> same volume on any wing, so you want the wing whos
shape most
> closely
> conforms to the gear, as does the Dive Rite wing which
lays
> tight to the
> tank and wraps up around it, with smooth surfaces,
already in
> the slip
> stream.
>
> There is also the problem of two inflators on some of
these, a
> real
> boondoggle . You can immagine the degree of clustery
that get
> set up
> with that arrangement.
>
> The fact is that if you dive the right gear to start
with, none
> of this
> tekkie stupidity is necesasry. If you dive steel in
the ocean,
> use a
> drysuit. If not, use aluminum tanks. Real simple, real
> efficient.
>
> If you dive in the ocean, use aluminium deco bottles.
Real
> simple. We
> found this out a long time ago, we execute these dives
with no
> problem,
> and you can ask Capt Jim Mimms, he has watched this
for years,
> as have
> his predecessors and succesors in the dive boat
business. My
> guys cause
> no problems other than hammering the strokes on the
boat.
>
> w wittman wrote:
> >
> >
> > George, no doubt you have done before...but could
you
> elaborate on "bondage
> > wings" and your objection to them?
> > thanks
> >
> >
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