> Going out and buying the right gear will help you go a lot farther 
> but it won't get you all of the way. The one thing I haven't seen any 
> of you guys discuss is the fact that the newer divers are lacking 
> thought processes. They all seem to just want to "go to the end of 
> the line as fast as possible" and prove themself. They're not 


It sure doesn't help when you hear all this BS from "respected leaders" in
the field that "You haven't done any REAL diving...come back and talk to
me when you have the 'end of the line'".  Seems all diving, that doesn't 
involve multi-thousand foot penetrations into a cave at 300', is deemed
"child's play"!!

P.S. By the looks of the cc: list, this probably originated on cavers but
I'm adding my 2 cents because it was on techdiver.

Al


> enjoying the cave diving for the cave, but rather the pervasive macho 
> ego attitude. This whole "must prove my ability" attitude has gotten 
> into the entire "technical diving" community and is what causes 
> accidents like you just saw in West Palm. It's scary when 95% of all 
> new cave divers don't even live near underwater caves. It used to be 
> the otherway around.
> 
> Ken
> ps - Anyone want a dorsal fin hood?
> 
> 
> > From:          "H20caver" <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>
> > To:            <polarbea@sa*.ne*>,
> >                "Cost effective home improvement"
<freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed*>
> > Cc:            <CAVERS@ww*.GE*.CO*>, <TECHDIVER@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject:       Re: Added info re three missing in WPB
> > Date:          Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:18:07 -0500
> 
> >         This another reason for the mentor program, but it's hopeless as
> > long as the "pay your dues so you
> >         can go on a guided dive-if we like you and you buy the beer"
> > attitude persists. Not everyone who tries
> >         this is going to grasp the technique and develope the ability-no
> > matter how much training-EZ
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Protocols need to be established for the conducting of these dives that
> > >the training agencies should insist on before using a given boat and
> > >captain.
> > >
> > >I was fortunate in that when I started doing this type of diving, I
> > >inadvertantly stumbled upon the best instructors and boat captains in
> > >the business.  There were no courses per se and much of what I learned
> > >was by watching others.
> > >
> > >Today, this type of diving is not "underground" and there is no reason
> > >for this to occur.
> > >
> > >I personally have witnessed courses being taught where the instructor
> > >and
> > >students were using dual independant doubles with trimix in one tank,
> > >36%
> > >in another (both back mounted tanks) with 80% slung in a stage!  In all
> > >fairness, most of the instructors I know are VERY conscientious people
> > >who would never do anything such as that, but we need to weed out the
> > >incompetants before natural selection does it for us.
> > >
> > >Joe C.
> > 
> > 
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