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Christian, the pros who preceeded me at WKPP, like Gavin were nice to everyone - nobody listened, and in fact, his predecessor told me to "take the cotton out of my ears and put it in my mouth", and Gavin himslef told me to "quit the stroke shit" - you see, they did not thing anyone else was worth yelling at - I do. My attitude is the same as yours, and that is that there is an obvoius problem out there, only I have been around long enouth to know who and what it is - you will be there , too, if you avoid them. Christo wrote: > > Steve, Greg > > I dont know George Irwine, but from postings on this list. Based on what I > can subtract from info on here, his group is doing major diving with no or > very small number of incedence. I haven't heard of any accidents. (It would > be posted in big letters if it was the case). Therefor they must be doing > things right. > > Looking at results on last year, tech diving needs to get their house in > order. People stuffing up makes things difficult for others. Why should > some people suffer due to mistakes / stupidity of others? > > Compared to > people like George Irwine, Jim Cobb and others I am a very inexperienced > tech diver. (Although I am a tech instructor - only Nitrox level). I do not > do trimix (yet) and limit my air diving to around 50m (about 150'). I do it > for very specific reasons and not as an ego boost or to get high. (That is > the floor depth of the area I do most of my dive training. And there are > very seldom trimix divers around to go to that level in an emergency) Some > people may flame me for that, but so be it. > > I do not like George, due to his attitude. That do not change the facts > stated in the first paragraph. He might have his reasons due to the things > he > saw and possible near hits that they might have witnessed or > prevented. My grype with him is the way he communicates. Also refer to > Brian > Taylor's letter at the bottom. George could have convinced Brian much > earlier if it wasn't for his attitude. > > Calling anyone names and getting into a personal mud slinging contest, is > not going to be good to any one on this list or in diving. By calling him > names, you are not going to convince him to change his attitude. Only he > can change that and it will only happen when he accepts that he will be > serve his course better by doing it. > > Maybe his (and possibly your) way of doing things are typical of people in > the Americas, I dont know. (This is not an attack, it just shows my > ignorance / lack of knowledge) > > I think most of us can learn a lot from George and his team, if you can > read pass the "shouting everyone down to proove I am right" way of > communicating. It would be just so much easier if it came without that. > > Everyone is just adding fuel to the fire. You can learn a lot from George. > Just don't copy his communicating methods on the net. > > Yes, I disagree with his way of communicating, but can you find fault with > his track record (in diving)? > > Regards > > Christiaan Grosskopf > > ---------- > > From: btaylor@am*.co* > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > Subject: dear tekdive@ho* > > Date: 13 January 1998 10:18 > > > > re your post on George's many failings..... > > > > A few years ago I unsubscribed from this list due to George's total > > inability to compromise, to allow personal preference to influence > > configuration. A few of us had developed systems which weren't that > > far from hogarthian rigs but even those small deviations were > strongly > > attacked by George. So I unsubscribed. Then I read several articles > > about Bill Main's philosophy, looked at what I was doing and thought > > > that going hogarthian would make things safer and simpler. Another > > person on this list whom I dive with occaisionally independantly has > > > come to the same conclusion. I then had to admit George was right. I > > > was a prime example of the comment made recently. A very experienced > > > diver having to unlearn stuff. > > Moral of story for me at least is to listen to George and ask > yourself > > hard questions about why that team does as much as it does with as > few > > incidents as it has. You were completely wrong in saying George > > doesn't exchange information. He exchanges tons but he does so in an > > > admittedly confrontational way. What would you rather have, a > slightly > > bruised ego and good information or a lot of the posting on this > list > > ( I am a recently qualified o/w diver and want to go on and do > Trimix > > next wednesday , will I have to buy another reg). The one thing that > > > I'd really like to know is whether Rich Pyle ( who used to be a very > > > consistent source of information and seems to be coming back in the > > frame) and George like or loath each other......George? Rich? > > regards > > Brian > > > > -- > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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