> the bottom. I like convoluted things - the dumber they are, the beetter > they are , I always say. Now we're getting somewhere. The first step to solving a problem...is admitting you have a problem. Seriously, though, I still don't understand what you have against the bondage. The argument that you can't fully inflate the wings is nonesense, of course (as long as the bondage is done correctly and you don't have a hair-trigger over-inflation valve). I have never had any trouble at all manually inflating them all the way up. The bondage straps have never snagged on anything. Even you have to admit that shifting your body position with non-bondage wings will shift your center of buoyancy. In your case, you told me you used that to your advantage bacause it made you more stable hanging on your side while scootering. That's cool - I have no problem with that. But for me, and I imagine for a lot of other people, it's much more important to minimize the shift in center-of-buoyancy when in different body orientations. The fundamental problem is that the rigs you're used to using - double steel 104's; that rebreather of yours; etc. - are very negative when the BC is fully deflated. That means you run the BC much fuller than I would. That means shifting your body orientation causes a proportionally smaller shift in center-of-buoyancy. But I'm telling you - trust me on this - diving is much less convoluted if you can keep your rig and your body independently neutral WITH THE BC COMPLETELY EMPTY. I understand why you've never had the chance to try diving that way. You don't want to use aluminum 100's, becasue you don't feel as warm & fuzzy about over-filling the hell out of them. You probably never considered using syntactic foam to make that RB of yours neutral with no gas in the BC; or if you did, I imagine you probably wrote it off as too convoluted (which I would tend to agree with you on). We both know that PVC pipes are a convoluted and potentially dangerous solution. Also, as you've told me in the past, with the drysuit you want the extra weight on the rig so you don't need to add any lead to your body. I understand all of that, so I'm not on some massive crusade to show you the light of static neutrally buoyant rigs. But I promise you - the first time you make a dive where you do not have to add a single puff of gas to the BC for the entire dive, and where you can effortlessly hold your body in any position, you will be as convinced as some of the people I see on the lists who try Hogarthian for the first time. ("Hey, you know what -- this actually works!"). It's taken me a long time to get to the point where I am comfortable diving (deep) without a BC, at least for solo dives. (Before everyone attacks me on this, be aware that my rebreather counterlungs can give me all the lift I need - and I can use my SMB in an emergency or for floating at the surface). Like I said, a BC should only be needed for wetsuit compensation, flotation at the surface, and emergencies with buddies without static neutral rigs. I don't see why anyone would need 20 lbs of lift for any of these, let alone the industry standard 80 lbs. This is the problem I have with all BC's (bondage or othrwise). I keep looking for a BC with 10-15 lbs maximum lift, that can innocuously be put somewhere out of the way. Maybe I'll find one at DEMA. Well, I guess that's enough trying to teach pigs to sing. Aloha, Rich Richard Pyle Ichthyology, Bishop Museum deepreef@bi*.bi*.ha*.or* 1525 Bernice St. PH: (808) 848-4115 Honolulu, HI 96817-0916 FAX: (808) 841-8968 "The views are those of the sender and not of Bishop Museum" -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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