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From: "Steve Schinke" <tekdive@ho*.co*>
To: gmirvine@sa*.ne*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: What is Deep?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:30:02 PST
Geepers i guess i better find someone who can teach me how to dive HYK 
HUYK HUYK.

Look you stupid american slob I dive every day and log over 500 dives a 
year.   As for the control the narcosis magic formula.  if you would 
clean the shit out of your ears and open your eyes to what has been 
transgressing here you would realize that I DON'T think there is any 
magical formula.  There is no way to control narcosis.  But its effects 
vary from individual to individual and environment to environment.  The 
effects of narcosis can be dealt with to a degree.  you call it a drug.  
well drugs effect people on and individual basis as well.  Ask your 
local pharmacist.  it is also possible to build up tolerance to certain 
drugs with extended use(ask the guy at the crack house you were going to 
refer me to.  Many alcoholics funtong normaly while under the influence.  
now i am not saying that they preform as well as someone not under the 
influence or condoning drug use of ANY form(nitrogen included ask you 
refer to it as a drug).  But it is an individual choice just like any 
other thing.  It is not your place or right to dictate anything to 
anyone exept your teammates.  So until you become god relax a bit.  hey 
if you feel like you have to boast about your accomplishments to make 
yourself feel good go right ahead, keep in mind boasting is way 
overrated)  If you are some kind of power hungey control freak who 
thinks that his way is the only way to dive then you are as stupid as 
everyone says you are.  personaly i expected more...

STEVE
>Steve, after you get certified , and they let you go diving, you can
>then tell us all how the cow ate the cabbage. Please get me the 
"control
>narcosis" magic formula so I can quit using gas and save about $5,000 a
>year on my WKPP dives alone.
>
>Fact - you have no idea what you are talking about, and you have 
exposed
>yourself as a moron with the reference you chose - good work, I knew I
>was right about you from the fist sentence of the first thing that came
>out of your ignorant mouth.
>
>Steve Schinke wrote:
>> 
>> Art,
>> There is no confusion of the facts merely your interpretation of them 
I
>> never claimed that i was the biggers toughest bad ass diver in the 
world
>> or to be immune to narcosis.  In addition i also never stated that 
one
>> can not suffer the effecrs of narcosis.
>> Narcosis is a reality not a figment of someones imagination.  But i 
do
>> know that the effects of narcosis may be controlled to a degree.  
which
>> is ture,  it is also true that narcosis effects everyone differently 
if
>> it doesn't please show me the magic line that says proceed past this
>> point on air and you will suffer nitrogen narcosis regardless of age
>> weight, hydration, wheather or not you smoke and what kind of 
physical
>> shape you are in.
>> 
>> DCS is effected by a number of factors and can be reduced by 
minimizing
>> certain ones the same is true for narcosis.  It is a simple 
pysiological
>> fact.
>> 
>> To what degree this is is individual that is also true.  yes narcosis
>> does lower performance but to what degree and how it is delt with is
>> varies from person to person.
>> 
>> SAFE DIVING
>> 
>> STEVE
>> >Steve,
>> >       Read a peer reviewed, scientific article on performance with 
narcosis.
>> >Your statement is scientifically proven to be WRONG.  One THINKS 
task
>> >performance is getting better, but it never does.  Actual tests 
prove
>> this.
>> > 'Subjective and Behavioral Effects Associated with Repeated 
Exposure
>> to
>> >Narcosis'  Aviation, Space, and Environmental Medicine, Oct 1992.  
It
>> was
>> >done by the DCIEM guys up north.
>> >       You know, I really hate it when issues are confused with the 
facts.
>> Just
>> >isn't as much fun to argue.
>> >       Art
>> >
>> >P.S.  Don't write back and say this doesn't apply to me, or that it
>> won't
>> >happen to me, or that I am better/tougher than this, or I have 10
>> zillion
>> >dives and have gotten used to it.  I have three teenagers that tell 
me
>> this
>> >all the time.
>> >
>> 
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