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From: "Steve Schinke" <tekdive@ho*.co*>
To: rlaird@ca*.co*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: What is Deep?
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:19:15 PST
Robert,
CAN meaning is possible but not the rule if your interested refer to 
DEEP DIVING by bret Gilliam pg 118-120 for a bit of proof.  For you not 
to admit that narcosis can be controled is idiotic.  It is still present 
but its effects can be limited and dealt with.  For you to oppose the 
fact that narcosis is a direct proponent of physiology is ignorant.  Of 
course everyones body functions differently and has different reactions 
and limits.  Alleriges, some people die from eating peanuts some love 
em, alcohol take a 150 pound stick and a 250 pound guy give them each 
three beers and then do a blood alchohol test.  I'll give you a hint the 
guy with more blood has proportionaly less alcohol.  Same goes for gas.  
Now the effects of gasses may vary independent of blood concentration.  

of course narcosis can be dealt with and limited maybe not by all people 
and yes physiology does play a large part in it the same goes for o2 
toxicity.  The difference may be small but it still exists.
so before you spout off learn a little bit about physiology and have an 
open mind.  There is no magical line that you cross and die but rather a 
risk management and assesment issue.  in addition to a risk 
justification and that will be different in all people. 

This is not an issue of right or wrong but rather a risk justification 
issue which is ecery individual OWN(meanin their own personal choice 
made by themselves regardless of weather or not it is right or wrong, 
stupid or not)

  

>Your whole series of posts sounds a bit too much like
>a troll, but ignoring that for the moment... in your
>post of 8:08PM 1/10/98, you said:
>
>>In any event narcosis CAN be largely psychological and can 
>>definately be controlled.
>
>You did not preface or couch this in any limiting terms, so
>I presume you mean that "narcosis ... can definitely be
>controlled" IN EVERYONE.
>
>I would certainly like to see the biophysiological and
>biochemical HARD, SCIENTIFIC proof for this contention.
>Even for just ONE person...  If you don't have it (which
>you can't, since it doesn't exist), then you need a
>little lesson in English.  
>
>What you should have written is, "In any event, it's my
>BELIEF that narcosis CAN be largely psychological and
>definitely can be controlled, but I have no hard facts,
>no proof, not even substandard non-published results
>from obscure and fringe pseudo-scientists, nothing but
>anecdotal evidence from FAS divers."
>
>I'm sure the Heavens Gate group had similar BELIEFS.
>But they're all dead now, and so, soon, will anyone
>who shares your beliefs.
>
>  -- Robert
>
>
>
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