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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:07:45 -0500
To: "Greg Zambeck" <gzambeck@us*.ne*>, <dertel@ti*.co*>
From: "Bill (aquadart) Bott" <aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>
Subject: Re: Tourch Lake - Alternate Dive
Cc: <cavers@ge*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
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Greg,


Sullivan who?  And as for what station I am affiliated with, why do 

you need to know so you can cause me problems.  I don't think so 

hommie!  I don't use their resources for personal use and you will 

not cause me problems for you sick enjoyment.


Now as for the Superior City, and the Gunilda who cares.  How many 

dives did Parker do deeper than that before he died?  How many more 

times can you two spin the cylinder and pull the trigger before we 

read about your death?  Furthermore, if you would get off the bow of 

the Superior City you would find another 10- 20 foot of depth and 

some good diving in the cargo holds.  But then that would require 

swimming something that neither of you are capable of.


I am not Impressed the worm has been doing mix dives for the last TWO 

years.  In my humble opinion Darryl is an idiot and a buffoon!  He is 

just another example of an accident waiting to happen.  And what is 

wrong with the TDI system.  After talking to several of his 

"students" and probing their depth of knowledge I find them sadly 

lacking in there understanding of the physics and physiology of mixed 

gas diving.  But hey , as more than one of his students put it, "I 

saved over a hundred buck".  That attitude is shocking enough.  But 

when coupled with the lack of respect he gets form his students it 

becomes frightening!  his students see him as a cheep WHORE!!!  Do 

you see a problem with that?


I would suspect not.  Because if you did you would understand WHY you 

had a student die on you.  No you did not "TELL" your student to do 

what he did.  But if your student was clear on what was expected of 

him AND had respect for you it wouldn't have happened.  Your student 

saw you as a cheep whore.  If he paid you enough you would do what he 

wanted (give him a C-card).  The frightening thing is that both of 

you do just that, take the money and if they survive they get a card. 

 Did you know that you don't have to certify anyone?  Or are you a 

PADI tri-mix instructor?  Do you require that your students 

demonstrate good judgment and attitude?  Of course not.  That would 

mean that you would have to work!  It would require that you evaluate 

students and tell some that they are not ready for the certification 

they want.  That would cause you to loose money wouldn't it?  And we 

just can't have that.


You mention Sullivan twice.  Who is Sullivan.  And why do you think I 

would know him?


As for put up or shut up.  I said  "I was thinking about Offering to 

come along as a deep safety diver 

for you little party at Whitefish.  But now that I find that you are 

associated with Darryl....."  If you had an IQ above plant life you 

would understand that I DON"T DIVE WITH IDIOTS!!!!  I value life.  

You DID NOT offer any chalange to me!!!  And if you had, I would turn 

you down (see above).  You should also note that in addition to not 

coming to your little STROKEFEST I am not inviting you to turn one my 

dives into a strokfest! (also see above)  The next time I dive the 

Superior City (by the way BEEN THERE, DONE IT with over an hour of 

bottom time on her),  I will think about you though.  And thank GOD 

that you are not there.  



At 12:33 PM 12/11/97 -0500, Greg Zambeck wrote:

>Mr. Bill I will make a point to give you the directions, the time of 

day

>and the location.

>But only if Sullivan and Irvine get a personal copy of the tape.

>

>Now what news station are you affiliated with?

>

>As for Darrly's diving ability, I have dove with him on the Superior 

City

>to 258 ft and the Gunilda 260 ft and he's been doing that on mix 

since

>1995.

>

>Bott you sound just like Sullivan & Irvine first you say were not 

capable

>of making the dives and the minute we say OK let's get into the 

water, you

>guy's find an excuse to cancel.

>

>Sullivan has to be next to the sauna, Irving is to busy.

>Put-up or shut-up Bott your experts are to scared and don't have the

>experience to make the dives.

>

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>> From: Bill (aquadart) Bott <<aquadart@ix*.ne*.co*>

>> To: Greg Zambeck <<gzambeck@us*.ne*>; dertel@ti*.co*

>> Cc: cavers@ge*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com

>> Subject: Re: Tourch Lake - Alternate Dive

>> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 1:16 AM

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>> Greg,

>> 

>> Don't even start that crap.  Better people than you have tried and 


>> failed.  Of the faults that George does have self centered is not 

one 

>> 

>> of them.  But George can deal with that if he wants.  It's not my 

>> concern.

>> 

>> As far as moving gear and checking the temperature of the wine...  

Do 

>> 

>> you drink before or after you dive?  Is that why you two can't 

handle 

>> 

>> your own gear?  To damn drunk to move yourself let alone your 

gear.  

>> Don't get me started.  I don't know personally, and at this point 

>> don't care to.  But as far as your friend, Darryl, is concerned, I 


>> wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire!

>> 

>> Nice joke about Darryl doing a tune-up dive.  But he better start 

a 

>> little shallower say 5 or 10 feet.  Maybe his bath tub would be 

more 

>> appropriate.  This guy is a buffoon, and if you find the need to 

>> defend him you are no better!!

>> 

>> As far as my coming out for your little party.  I have no interest 

in 

>> 

>> doing a 420' ice dive or diving in the same county with Darryl.  

But 

>> if you give me dates for your dives I can get a T.V. crew to come 

up 

>> and film the body recoveries.  The NEWS Dept. loves that kind of 

>> stuff.  

>> 


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