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To: techdiver@opal.com
Subject: RE: Re:
From: hgartner@ra*.or* (Harold Gartner)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:19:24 PDT
>>Chris,
>>I've often wondered why some of us seem to be able to violate the tables
>>(not intentionally), dive frequently and deep and never get bent, while
>>others get bent well within the tables etc.  If 27% of the population and
>>diving population have a PFO then perhaps we really need two sets of tables
>>-- one for those with this defect and one for those without?
>>
>>I'd also like to know how a PFO causes a problem on the aterial side when
>>the normally fluid dynamics would seem to make this a remote possibility.
>>Can you educate all of us?
>
>Normally the PFO will not cause a problem.  However, the pressure in the
>venous side of the circulation can rise, for example when performing a
>Valsalva manoeuvre or when bending double forcibly e.g. when getting into
>a RIB.  When you cough, you also raise the intrathoracic pressure and then
>a small amount of blood from the venous side can get through to the arterial
>side, carrying any bubbles with it.  Sometimes the PFO can only be demon-
>strated with difficulty on contrast echocardiography and then it is less
>likely that such problems will occur.
>
>I do not think that two sets of tables are called for.  How are you going
>to find out if you have a PFO?  Will the knowledge make any difference to
>your diving?  The test is expensive and must be performed by an expert who
>has carried out these tests many times and knows what to look for.  Even
>cardiology consultants may not be able to do this.
>
>Chris.
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Chris,
I thought that a good doppler study of the heart should pick up a PFO?  Not
that expensive if extra precautions are in order for someone who has the
defect.


Harold Gartner
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