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From: <chris@gl*.ox*.ac*.uk*>
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 17:33:43 EDT
Subject: Dear all,
Dear all,

I thought after reading the correspondence about shoulder pain coming on
within 30 mins of a dive and the message about Kevin Gurr's skin bend
after a dive, I would make the following comments:

	1. I am surprised that no-one has made any comments about
	an arterial gas embolus.  Generally, any effects like this
	coming on within 30 minutes of surfacing could well be due
	to gas embolus.

	2. Why? you may ask.  I would be prepared to put quite a lot of
	money upon the fact that Kevin Gurr has a patent
	foramen ovale and I think that it is not out of bounds that
	some of the other people reporting symptoms may also have a PFO.
	Wilmshurst et al. found a 100% incidence of PFO in those people
	who get skin bends within 30 mins. of surfacing from a dive.
	(Wilmshurst et al. Lancet 1990; 336; 1071-2).  Moon has also
	done research in this area.  Yes, I am aware that 27% of all
	people have PFOs but that 27% of all dives > 15 metres do not
	result in bends but what is forgotten is that during a dive
	(and especially some of the rather deep depths that are being
	talked about here) the diver is getting dehydrated and this is
	known to exacerbate the problems with bubbles (note I did not
	say DCI).  (If people wish, I can tell them a couple of stories
	here that I have personally witnessed).

For those of you determined to dive whether you have a PFO or not (and
you may prefer not to know) I would advise that you take fluids on the
dive with you and learn to drink underwater.  The O2 saturation should
be as high as possible within NOAA limits at all times during the dive
(rebreathers here we come...) and I would make sure that you dive at all
times within the tables - for those of you wondering about tables etc.
Bill Hamilton of Hamilton Research in Tarrytown is probably the world
expert.

The only other thing is to make sure that the bubbles don't get to
the brain or the spinal cord... :-)


Chris.
Chair, National Diving Medical Committee
Medical Advisor to Technical Diving International.

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