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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:37:16 -0500
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: Erik Schmidt <eschmidt@pu*.br*.fl*.us*>
CC: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>, john.r.strohm@bi*.co*, cavers@ge*.co*
Subject: Re: PSA?
Look, Eric, Hal Watts has me extremely worried right now. I met his
daughter at at trade show recently, and later found out she is deep air
diving, or so they say. 

There are two possibilities here: eihter Hal is running a "Flying
Wolendas" act and it is all hype, and he gets $1,000 a pop to tell
people not to deep air dive ( vs the fifteen bucks the Slob gets to
encourage stupidity), or his daugher is going to get killed this will
really be a sad one, indicating that he does not know any better.

In either case, I am concerned about this. When I heard of her air act,
all I cound think of was seeing Nick Commoglio for the last time on the
boat. 

Enough is enough. 


Erik Schmidt wrote:
> 
> john.r.strohm@BI*.co* wrote:
> 
>      >This may be a bit off the usual (war) subject of this
>      forum... But...
>      >
>      >The opinion about deep air is obvious, but what is the
>      opinion of Hal
>      >Watts and PSA?
>      >I never hear him mentioned.
> 
>      Erik, I got to meet Hal Watts earlier this year.  He was
>      exhibiting at a
>      dive and travel show here in Dallas, trying to sign up deep
>      air students.
>      He basically freaked when I mentioned that I have asthma.
>      He completely
>      freaked when I explained that I also have approval to dive
>      from both my
>      primary care guy (who incidentally is also a diver) AND from
>      my pulmonary
>      specialist.  He just plain couldn't seem to deal with the
>      concept of an
>      asthmatic diver.  It became real clear that he wasn't going
>      to try to
>      solicit me as a student.  (On the other hand, I am not about
>      to sign up for
>      a Deep Air class any time in the forseeable future.)
> 
>      Later, I got to sit in on a conversation between Hal and
>      Jonathan Lesh
>      (Diver's Outpost, I think, occasionally referred to as
>      "Strokepost" by
>      certain of our more vocal inhabitants).  Something I
>      noticed:  Hal seemed
>      to have a LOT of respect for George Irvine, and was treating
>      it as a
>      sincere difference of opinion.  Jonathan didn't like George,
>      at all.  (On
>      the other hand, I'd started looking for a way to terminate
>      the conversation
>      the moment Jonathan told me his chief instructor was Bill
>      Rennaker.  So I'm
>      prejudiced in favor of George and the WKPP and so on.  So
>      sue me.)
> 
>      George wrote recently that Hal had once told him privately
>      that what he
>      really did was teach people that NO ONE could dive deep on
>      air and pull it
>      off, but he did it by example, by taking them down and
>      SHOWING them.
> 
>      Hal came across as a softly-spoken, knowledgeable, competent
>      individual,
>      and a pretty nice guy, who, in his own way, is concerned and
>      cares about
>      diving safety.
> 
>      But:  Hal teaches Deep Air.
> 
>      I can't get over that particular baseline fact.
> 
> 
> I guess what I should have said was...
> I took deep air with Hal Watts as my instructor.  ( I know, I know...
> I wasn't involved with all of these discussions then and didn't know
> any better!)  I was impressed and thought Hal did a very good job
> teaching.  But PSA also does a lot of work with Cave, TechTrox and
> TriMix training.  Deep air training to 180 is required by PSA to take
> TechTrox and TriMix.  In spite of this fact, I'm curious if anyone has
> an opinion about the PSA program.  The attitude on this list seems to
> be ++IANTD++ and --TDI--.  No one ever slams PSA even though they
> promote deep air to some extent.  Is this because they have an
> inherently good program overall?  Or is it just because they are a
> comparatively small organization and no one bothers with them?
> Basically, if you were to bother with them would you say good things
> or bad?
> 
> One more question.  Who would any of you recommend for TriMix training
> and how would I contact them?  Thanks.
>                                                     -Erik
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