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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:42:26 -0400
From: "G. Irvine" <gmirvine@sa*.ne*>
Organization: Woodville Karst Plain Project
To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Forward From Tony Martinez
This is from Tony - maybe the slob can call NOAA and complain about him.

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I've sat back and completely avoided these lists for the past 8 months
because the bullshit was not even funny anymore. Unfortunately, I can no
longer stand idly by while George Irvine and the WKPP get slammed by
every
limp wristed, deep air diving, pole smoker out there. Seems like Brett
Gilliam and TDI have their panties in a wad over George’s critical
opinions
regarding TDI and its continued support of deep air diving. It is time
for
Gilliam and everyone at TDI to wake up and smell the rotting corpses
piling
up in front of the Deep Air Sacrificial Alter that TDI and many other
babbling idiots pay homage to.

Diving to ever greater depths, carries increased risk. Doing so with
less
than optimal gases and equipment,  is stupid or at the very least,
ignorant.
Being a training agency and not espousing the most current, correct and
safest methods for diving, is bordering on criminal negligence. 

The last time I checked, on the Internet and especially in America,
voicing
one’s opinion - regardless of how critical it may be, is fully accepted
and
even encouraged. I do not see why Gilliam/TDI/Deep Tech would go through
so
much trouble and expense in a meaningless and underhanded campaign
against
George Irvine and the WKPP, unless of course, they have something to
fear. If
TDI has nothing to be ashamed of, why do they have to resort to tactics
such
as printing articles in magazines, contacting employers and sponsors,
and
secretly witnessing conversations. A cornered rat will lash out in
whatever
manner available.

>
> What's amusing to me is that Irvine really thinks that anyone takes him
> seriously or that anyone doesn't see through the absurd charade of his
> mis-attributed postings when he's too chicken to sign his own name.  And 
> the idea that millionaires like King and Gilliam might be affected by
> Irvine's rants only sadly reflected his continued distorted view of 
> reality in an industry that has no time for him or his nutcase
> disciples.
>

If certain entities of said industry wish to continue doing business,
they
should look past the manner in which this criticism is presented and
take to
heart the message behind it. The public will be fooled only so long.
Eventually, the truth will fully permeate the population and companies
like
TDI will be exposed for what they really are, a business trying to make
the
most money possible regardless of what they have to do. Making money is
the
American way, but when you let your hunger for ever larger Certificates
of
Deposit get in the way of sound judgment and actually put peoples lives
into
unnecessary danger, you have to stop. When people look to TDI and
Gilliam as
examples of technical diving they expect to receive the ‘latest and
greatest’
information with regards to methods and equipment. This is not what they
are
getting. TDI’s attempts to dilute the issues by attacking their most
vocal
opponent, instead of debating said issues, only goes to show that they
are
doing damage control. The truth hurts.

Tony Martinez

ps I'm not on techdiver, someone post this there for me.
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