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Bill,

I have to agree with George here. It is totally unproductive for you and
Cobb to be slugging it out here when the real enemy is still lurking out
there waiting for the next innocent next victim.

Your expose of the WhiteFish point insanity was excellent. Obviously you
really understand Great Lakes Diving, which is an extremely tough venue
for this sport and those of us who do this type of diving really respect
that experience.  Nevertheless, you need to be focusing your
considerable wrath and aggressive energy against the real Darth Vader
and evil emprire of Technical Diving.  It is obvious that the death,
destruction and personal wreckage is perpetrated through the incompetent
instruction and misinformation diseminated through this agency.

You and Cobb are our best defense against bs training agencies and
dangerous practices. Who cares what dives Cobb has or hasn't done? The
important thing is that his attitude with respect to doing it right and
setting an example to others is the reight one. It pains me to see you
two going at it with each other while the single worst influence in
socalled technical diving and his handmaiden laughs at all of us.

I and all of my colleagues would appreciate it if you two would either
bury the hatchet or find something you can agree upon.

Regards,

Bill Mee

Bill Bott wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> It's not bad enough that we have to wade through all the trash talk.  Now
> we find out that Cobb is a keyboard diver dispensing advice about Tri-Mix,
> before he did his first mixed gas dive.  When he got called on it he had no
> real defense so he opens the sewer and dumped it on the list.  GET A
> CLUE!!!!  Cobb does NOT know what he is saying he is just repeating someone
> else!!!
> 
> If that isn’t bad enough, NOW we get George defending him.  That is
> pitiful!!!  George’s message on deep air can stand on it’s own merit.  The
> deep air is dumb message is so obvious that it should NOT need this much
> time or bandwidth.  But why defend some know nothing, dive nothing,
> parrot???  Again he does a GREAT disservice to himself by associating with
> Cobb.
> 
> George,
> 
> You have achieved some tremendous mile stone in diving.  But when you die
> you will be remembered as much or more for WHO YOU ARE as what you did.  If
> you don’t care, you will be remembered for that as well.  And if you don’t
> mind being remembered as an apologist for a few puppets who could only
> parrot you, that’s okay too.  But you may wish to think about it now.
> Because you are not 25 any more.  The past few months have done a lot to
> help your image.  So why turn back now?  That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t
> call a pot smoker a pot smoker.  But rather consider if that information is
> helping to get the message across or turning people away.
> 
> You believe in  the team concept.  However the team can be no better than
> the worst member.  And you just jumped in bed with a no one who hasn’t done
> any thing of note other than spew trash, and fraudulently misrepresent
> himself.  Is that the type of spokesman you want?  If so that’s fine too.
> But do you think it will help or hinder your cause?  Think about it George,
> An honest message from a reliable source or a message that will always be
> suspect because the messenger is a fraud?
> 
> As for the FRAUD Cobb,
> 
> I personally have no use for a "diver" who does most of his bottom time on
> a keyboard..  Yes this is personal between me and Cobb.  And yes you have a
> right to be mad at him for wasting you time with this on a public list.
> This too has no place in this bandwidth.  Other than to say that I did not
> post my complaint to the list, Cobb did.  It is up to you to decide if it
> was to inform you of some new technical development in diving or to take
> the heat off him for being a fraud.
> 
> I have to admit that I find a certain irony in the fact the I was
> complaining to the cause of the complaint.  I also thank those who tried to
> offer assistance in finding the host IP.  But you all fell a steep or two
> short of the mark.  I do know a little tiny bit about computers and the
> Internet though.  What I find interesting is that his hosts seem to be well
> meaning non-profit allograft Tissue Banking System. Questions or comments
> about donation should be directed to: Public Education Coordinator, Becky
> Lawson, at becky_lawson@tr*.or* (I think it is a good cause).
> 
> As far as the use of the host is concerned I wonder what Bill Anderson,
> President & CEO or John St. John, VP for Corporate Services will have to
> say about this usage and Mr. Cobb’s jeopardizing of there client status
> with UU.NET.  However, I do intend to find out.  I know what UU.NET had to
> say and lets just say that Mr. Cobb may not be laughing as hard now as he
> was yesterday.  Perhaps Mr. Cobb will keep us up to date on UU.NET’s and
> LifeNet’s actions.
> 
> I hope Mr. Cobb does not work for any of these people or companies as he
> could be in big trouble if he does.  If you have any thoughts on Mr. Cobb’s
> employment status you might wish to forward them to Mr. Cobb at
> <jcobb@tr*.or*>  or Mr. John St. John at <john_stjohn@tr*.or*>.  I’m
> sure they would like to hear your comments.
> 
> All I can say is look at the relationships and accomplishments for sure,
> But also consider the quality of the message.  You don’t need to shoot the
> messenger nor do you need to accept the message from a fraud.  Consider the
> source then make a sound reasonable choice based on the facts and merits of
> the information presented.  I'm sure that if you do you will come to two
> key choices:
> 
> 1)   Deep Air is DUMB!!!
> 2)   Hogarthian is the best way to rig!!!
> 
> Bill (aquadart) Bott
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