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George M. Irvine III wrote: > > Listen, you dumb asshole - I do not want hear about your accident > history - I am not talking about you , I am talking about something > else, and everytime I yell "hey stupid" I will ask that you dive > instructors quit all responding at once. If you are this stupid, and you > are, then I am sure your accident is just as bad. You guys are a > disgrace to diving, and hopefully will get sued right out of business, > which is the only aspect of your accident that the Sheriff mentioned. > > Greg Zambeck wrote: > > > > Let's get the story straight George. > > > > The first training accident in this lake was by a 58 year old Master > > instructor and a 32 year old full cave diver. > > > > The two student's were 250 ft away from the class, that on three (3) > > consecutive dives only traveled 220 to 250 ft. from the shore. > > > > When the 58 year old survivor was asked who had planned the dive he > > remarked > > > > "that the other diver came to him Sunday morning, the two of them talked > > about it and they just decided to go for it". > > > > Being the instructor I was not informed of the dive plan nor did I approve > > of it. > > > > The student who died had a history of running off on his dive partners, > > which the family knows about. > > > > He was also told that he could not dive below 180 ft. in this class, the > > night before he died. > > > > He was found in 213 ft of water and had traveled 496 ft. to get there. > > > > The diver that died left his dive partner at 194 ft because couldn't keep > > up. > > The dive partner was the one that planned the dive and lead it most of the > > way. > > He now has three stories that he has told as to what happned. > > > > I would question how you can call this a training accident when the > > "STUDENTS" can exceed the class by a factor of 2? > > > > ---------- > > > From: George M. Irvine III <gmirvine@sa*.ne*> > > > To: cavers@ge*.co*; techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > Cc: freeattic@co*.ci*.uf*.ed* > > > Subject: It's All About To Be Over For TDI > > > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 1:21 PM > > > > > > I just spoke to the Jackson County Sheriff and went over the report of > > > the DEEP AIR TRAINING DEATH by a TDI instructor at Lake Wazee , > > > Wisconsin. Here are the facts: > > > > > > This was a training dive. The Sheriff has the TDI training forms filled > > > out. There was one instructor for three students. NO MIXED gas was used > > > - they were diving AIR. The divers' computers showed 191 feet of depth. > > > The victim had a problem at depth, and the instructor inflated his bc > > > and shot him to the surface BY HIMSELF - how stupid are these guys? They > > > then DECOMCPRESSED instead of helping the victim - what is going on out > > > there? How stupid is TDI? How unqualified and stupid can an instructor > > > possibly be ? How negligent can these guys possibly get? > > > > > > The victim then sank back down unconscious and drowned, while these > > > real tough guy heroes of deepair diving decompressed their weenie little > > > incompetent asses. > > > > > > Where is the safety plan here? > > > > > > ANOTHER onlooker had to put on a tank and go after the victim, and then > > > these guys went after the body again, and again failed to surface it so > > > they could deco from a nothing dive that requires no deco - they are > > > incompetent idiots. > > > > > > Dead is worse than bent, but obviously not to these guys. They clearly > > > have ZERO understanding of decompression, and how an instructor can be > > > taking three students on a deep air dive to 191 while himself on air and > > > expect anything different that what happened is beyond my understanding. > > > > > > You know what the Sheriff asked me? He wanted to know what he should do > > > about the County wanting to shut the lake to diving. Look what wonderful > > > things Brett Gilliam is doing for our sport. I am so sick of listening > > > to strokes like Odem, Gilliam and Skaggs run their ignorant mouths about > > > deep air while reaking havoc on our sport. These guys need to go, and > > > the sooner you all quit covering up for them, the sooner we can get them > > > out of our sport. > > > > > > The sooner we put together one of these victims with the right law firm > > > (which we have) and the right expert witnesses ( which we have) , the > > > sooner it will be over. We need everyone's help in ridding this sport of > > > this problem. > Listen, you dumb asshole - I do not want hear about your accident > > history - I am not talking about you , I am talking about something > > else, and everytime I yell "hey stupid" I will ask that you dive > > instructors quit all responding at once Sounds like guilt to me...anybody (any bodies) agree? -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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